<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Is Bluesky’s 🦋 Atmosphere Expanding Faster Than The Fediverse‽]]></title><description><![CDATA[<figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0675.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a Blue Butterfly flying in a blue sky. Image created by AI.</figcaption></figure><p>The Blue Sky team celebrated an incredible feat <a href="https://bsky.app/">by posting</a> that the <em>decentralized</em> (more on that later) app had reached 40 million users.</p><figure><img width="840" height="363" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0674.jpg?resize=840%2C363&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Bluesky mentioning that they have crossed the 40 million user threshold </figcaption></figure><p>Powered by the <a href="https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/atproto">Authenticated Transfer Protocol</a> (also known as ATProto) &amp; <a href="https://atproto.com/">nicknamed the <em>Atmosphere</em></a> by Bluesky, it appears that people are flocking towards the decentralized protocol over the other option, which is powered by <em>ActivityPub</em> (nicknamed the <em>Fediverse</em>).</p><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0677.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>A blue butterfly flying over a rainbow colored pentagon with a blue sky in the background. Image created with AI.</figcaption></figure><h2>Isn’t Bluesky A Part Of The Fediverse‽ </h2><p>Okay, although some may argue that Bluesky is a part of the <em>Fediverse</em>, thanks to <a href="https://fed.brid.gy/">handy bridges</a> that help both communicate with each other.</p><p>Truthfully, Bluesky is as distant from the Fediverse as phone numbers are to email (<strong>note: </strong>yes, emails &amp; phone numbers <a href="https://support.google.com/mail/thread/101903178?hl=en&amp;msgid=101935123">can communicate with each other</a>, but they are very different protocols).</p><p>Even Bluesky does not view itself as part of the overall <em>Fediverse</em>, but instead refers to its community as the <em>Atmosphere</em> to distinguish itself from <em>ActivityPub</em>-powered sites within the <em>Fediverse</em>.</p><blockquote><p>Before we dive into what we’re up to, let’s take a moment to celebrate what’s happening in the Atmosphere. Our little network is really starting to hit its stride. The energy is incredible and growing by the day! We’re seeing new projects pop up constantly, and there’s a new level of maturity across the board.</p><p>What’s really amazing is watching developers help other developers. Development is happening over on <a href="https://tangled.sh/" rel="noreferrer noopener">Tangled</a>. Devs are sharing updates through <a href="https://leaflet.pub/" rel="noreferrer noopener">Leaflet</a>. Projects like <a href="http://slices.network/" rel="noreferrer noopener">Slices</a>, <a href="https://www.microcosm.blue/" rel="noreferrer noopener">Microcosm</a>, <a href="https://pdsls.dev/" rel="noreferrer noopener">PDSls</a>, and <a href="https://graze.leaflet.pub/3m33mkloj222o" rel="noreferrer noopener">Graze</a> are making it easier for everyone to build. The AT Protocol Community just announced <a href="https://news.atmosphereconf.org/3m3cwwz4mpk2j" rel="noreferrer noopener">the second AtmosphereConf</a> this March in Vancouver. This is what decentralized development looks like. Remember: on an open protocol <a href="https://underreacted.leaflet.pub/3m23gqakbqs2j" rel="noreferrer noopener">we can just do things</a>.</p><p>— <a href="https://docs.bsky.app/blog/protocol-checkin-fall-2025#the-atmosphere-is-thriving">Bluesky Developer Blog</a></p></blockquote><p>Although technically decentralized, like <em>ActivityPub</em>-powered sites, Bluesky’s embrace of decentralization via <em>Atmosphere</em> is significantly softer compared to the <em>Fediverse</em>.</p><blockquote><p>Hard decentralization refers to the emergence of a resilient and multi-stakeholder Atmosphere that relies less on Bluesky PBC’s existence. There’s some overlap with the other two goals here. Improving things like sync make it easier to run alternate infrastructure like Relays and Appviews, and our governance work should help build confidence that the protocol is a genuine public good that’s larger than Bluesky. […]</p><p>The decentralization guarantees of AT come from the locked-open substrate of data hosted by Personal Data Servers (PDSes). One of our current goals to increase the resilience of the network is to encourage more non-Bluesky PDS hosting.</p><p>— <a href="https://docs.bsky.app/blog/protocol-checkin-fall-2025#hard-decentralization">Bluesky Developer Blog</a></p></blockquote><p>Now that it is clear the <em>Atmosphere</em> differs from the <em>Fediverse</em>, many are likely wondering if the former is expanding faster than the latter.</p><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0678.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a blue butterfly in front of a rainbow colored pentagon. Blue sky is in the background. Image created by AI.</figcaption></figure><h2>Decentralized Statistics (Atmosphere Versus Fediverse)</h2><p>As mentioned before, Bluesky achieved a milestone by reaching 40 million users. Currently, there is no single site that showcases the total number of users throughout the <em>Atmosphere</em>, so this (more or less) will be an apples <img src="https://bb.devnull.land/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f34e.png?v=7bf1063d0bf" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--apple" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="🍎" alt="🍎" /> versus oranges <img src="https://bb.devnull.land/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f34a.png?v=7bf1063d0bf" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--tangerine" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="🍊" alt="🍊" /> comparison against the <em>Fediverse</em> overall.</p><p>Bluesky is the flagship for the <em>Atmosphere</em>, &amp; their standalone stats are impressive nonetheless. As far as <em>Fediverse</em> stats go, they will be sourced from the <a href="https://fediverse.observer/">Fediverse Observer</a> by <a rel="mention" href="https://toot.wales/@alpacasncats">@alpacasncats</a>, as <a href="https://fediverse.observer/stats">his site</a> includes most <em>ActivityPub</em>-powered sites.</p><p><em><span><strong>Note:</strong></span> Threads stats are not included by Fediverse Observer (which will be discussed below), while <a href="https://www.minds.com/">Minds</a> (a controversial site) will be featured in parentheses as most aggregate sites refuse to count their stats due to the site’s controversial content. Minds stats were <a href="https://fortune.com/2021/09/16/minds-social-network-crypto-balance-sheet-ethereum-bitcoin-usd-coin/">reported by Fortune</a>.</em></p><p>Bluesky Stats will be sourced from <a href="https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth">BlueFacts</a> &amp; <a href="https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats">Stats for Bluesky by Jaz</a>, as they provide clearer statistics regarding Bluesky’s growth.</p><ul><li><span><strong>Total Users:</strong></span> Bluesky: 40,027,311 | Fediverse: 16,809,247 (+ 5 million from Minds)</li><li><span><strong>Monthly Active Users:</strong></span> Bluesky: 5,334,902 | Fediverse: 909,842 (+ 500,000 from Minds)</li><li><span><strong>Daily Active Users:</strong></span> Bluesky: 1,430,329 | Fediverse: Unclear</li></ul><p>Just comparing Bluesky (the flagship of the <em>Atmosphere</em>) alone against the <em>Fediverse</em>, it appears as if adoption of the <em>Authenticated Transfer Protocol</em> is outpacing <em>ActivityPub</em>.</p><p>This might explain why high profile individuals are embracing Bluesky over the <em>Fediverse</em>, <a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vance-joins-bluesky-didnt-050955886.html">including one politician</a> who is scorned by folks within the <em>Atmosphere</em>.</p><p>Upon first glance, the <em>Atmosphere</em> appears to be expanding faster than the <em>Fediverse</em>, based on the publicly available data. However, one company has (frustratingly) kept its <em>Fediverse</em> stats secret, one that (for better or worse) could shape the future of decentralized networks.</p><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0679.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Imager of a monster created by blue threads with a glowing white infinity sign on its chest. Image created by AI.</figcaption></figure><h2>The Meta Monster Cometh</h2><p><a href="https://www.threads.com/">Threads</a> by <a href="https://www.meta.com/">Meta</a> is part of the Fediverse &amp; due to its size, it will likely be one of the first ActivityPub platforms that most people encounter online.</p><p>According to <a rel="mention" href="https://www.threads.com/@mosseri/">@mosseri</a> (who leads <a href="https://www.instagram.com/">Instagram</a>), Threads boasts over <a href="https://www.threads.com/@mosseri/post/DNQuTFlCV9P?xmt=AQF088z5jaOTHINuciJHRqFu8cqo414-UOTZcBPq88xd4w">400 million monthly active users</a>, of which <a href="https://www.threads.com/@mosseri/post/DQcHWr1Cazp?xmt=AQF088z5jaOTHINuciJHRqFu8cqo414-UOTZcBPq88xd4w">150 million are active daily</a>.</p><p>While those stats are impressive, it is still unclear how many of those users have activated <em>ActivityPub</em> on their accounts, &amp; <a rel="mention" href="https://threads.net/@threads/">@threads</a> has declined to release statistics on how many users have turned on <em>Fediverse</em> sharing on their platform.</p><p>Hopefully, <a rel="mention" href="https://threads.net/@conno_r/">@conno_r</a> (the current leader at Threads) will be more forthcoming when it comes to <em>Fediverse</em> user stats, as that would help determine how many people are a part of the <em>ActivityPub</em> decentralized social network.</p><figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0686.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a UFO in a blue sky. </figcaption></figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0681.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of an animal with a WordPress logo on its chest</figcaption></figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0685.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a blue threads monster with a white infinity symbol on its chest</figcaption></figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0683.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a dolphin wearing a red shirt with a White F on the front</figcaption></figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0684.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of an angry robot with a light bulb on its head</figcaption></figure><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0682.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a purple Mastodon in a forest</figcaption></figure></figure><h2>Is Atmosphere Greater Than The Fediverse‽</h2><p>Currently, the <em>Atmosphere’s</em> strength depends on its flagship site, Bluesky, &amp; for now, it is clearly outpacing the Fediverse overall. </p><p>However, the bottleneck for the <em>Atmosphere</em> is Bluesky, so unless other <a href="https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture">Personal Data Servers (aka PDS) come online with their own Relays</a> (along with millions of users), the protocol will thrive or die on Bluesky’s site.</p><p>While smaller, the <em>Fediverse</em>‘s advantage lies in the number of diverse &amp; significant platforms that have adopted <em>ActivityPub</em>. This includes:</p><ul><li><a href="https://wordpress.org/">WordPress</a> (via <a href="https://wordpress.org/plugins/activitypub/">the ActivityPub plugin</a> created by <a rel="mention" href="/user/pfefferle%40mastodon.social">@pfefferle</a>) which may boast around <a href="https://wordpress.com/blog/2025/04/17/wordpress-market-share/">500 million active websites</a>.</li><li>Threads (by Meta) which currently boasts over 400 million monthly active users (aka MAU). They are still beta testing <em>Fediverse</em> sharing on their site although it is available to turn on for most users</li><li><a href="https://flipboard.com/">Flipboard</a> (founded by <a rel="mention" href="/user/mike%40flipboard.social">@mike</a>) who boasts <a href="https://about.flipboard.com/business/publishers-paid-content-program-on-flipboard/">over 145 million MAU</a> (<strong>note:</strong> they are beta testing ActivityPub on a limited number of accounts)</li><li><a href="https://joinmastodon.org/">Mastodon</a> (created by <a rel="mention" href="/user/gargron%40mastodon.social">@Gargron</a>) which boasts around 671,000 MAU (<strong>note:</strong> a variant or fork of the software powers President Donald Trump’s <a href="https://truthsocial.com/">Truth Social</a> site, although <em>Fediverse</em> sharing is turned off—for now).</li><li>Minds (created by <a rel="mention" href="https://www.minds.com/ottman">@ottman</a> &amp; <a rel="mention" href="https://www.minds.com/john">@john</a>), a controversial site boasting <a href="https://fortune.com/2021/09/16/minds-social-network-crypto-balance-sheet-ethereum-bitcoin-usd-coin/">over 500,000 MAU</a> (<strong>note:</strong> it is unclear how many servers use their software beyond the flagship site).</li><li><a href="https://pixelfed.org/">Pixelfed</a> (created by <a rel="mention" href="/user/dansup%40mastodon.social">@dansup</a>) which boasts over 100,000 MAU &amp; is arguably one of the best designed Fediverse sites online.</li></ul><p>These six sites &amp;/or software platforms have maintained large, active user bases &amp; boast official mobile apps on Apple (iOS &amp; iPadOS) &amp; Android (the latter is significant for any site desiring to go mainstream amongst the masses).</p><figure><img width="687" height="1024" src="https://i0.wp.com/darnell.tv/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/img_0687.jpg?resize=687%2C1024&amp;ssl=1" alt="" /><figcaption>Image of a rainbow colored monster in a forest holding a sign that says “The End” (image created by AI)</figcaption></figure><h2>A Decentralized Conclusion</h2><p>The decentralized future has yet to be determined, although if one were to wager on which protocol would become the global standard, the odds favor the <em>Fediverse</em>.</p><p>The toughest barrier for advocates of <em>ActivityPub</em> is convincing users on established platforms (primarily WordPress &amp; Threads) to either install a plugin or <a href="https://help.instagram.com/760878905943039">enable <em>Fediverse</em> sharing</a> for their account.</p><p>Convincing celebrities, politicians, large organizations, businesses, local groups, religious institutions, sports organizations, etcetera, to embrace the <em>Fediverse</em> is more of an advocacy issue rather than a technical problem.</p><p>The <em>Atmosphere’s</em> biggest hurdle is both technical &amp; promotional, as they are still in the early stages of simplifying their setup to make it easier for individuals &amp; companies to use.</p><p>Regardless of which decentralized platform dominates in the future, the world overall needs social networks that are not owned &amp; operated by corporate giants headquartered in a few countries.</p><p>The world needs a diversity of opinions online to solve a host of complex global problems, &amp; the best way to achieve that is to allow everyone to have their own voice, on their own terms, without fear of being silenced due to geopolitical or corporate politics.</p>]]></description><link>https://bb.devnull.land/topic/a6dc74ab-78a4-4732-a080-f60aaf8bf275/is-bluesky-s-atmosphere-expanding-faster-than-the-fediverse</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2026 22:48:13 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://bb.devnull.land/topic/a6dc74ab-78a4-4732-a080-f60aaf8bf275.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2025 19:55:52 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Is Bluesky’s 🦋 Atmosphere Expanding Faster Than The Fediverse‽ on Sun, 02 Nov 2025 20:03:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/darnell%40darnell.tv">@<span>darnell</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.wales/@alpacasncats">@<span>alpacasncats</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://www.threads.net/ap/users/mosseri/">@<span>mosseri</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://threads.net/@threads/">@<span>threads</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://threads.net/@conno_r/">@<span>conno_r</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/pfefferle%40mastodon.social">@<span>pfefferle</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/mike%40flipboard.social">@<span>mike</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/gargron%40mastodon.social">@<span>Gargron</span></a></span> @ottman@minds.com @john@minds.com <span><a href="/user/dansup%40mastodon.social">@<span>dansup</span></a></span> with the terrible marketing the fediverse has it's number ia impressive. Blueaky popularity is not suppriaing since it was created by jack dorsey</p>]]></description><link>https://bb.devnull.land/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hiphopheaven/statuses/115481889036802576</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://bb.devnull.land/post/https://mastodon.social/users/hiphopheaven/statuses/115481889036802576</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[hiphopheaven@mastodon.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2025 20:03:05 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>