Gotcha!
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(it really would be nice to see a more graceful handling of these)
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I see both of those issues as being in the same vein yeah. Even when I was a mod of a small community on Reddit, I would have to remove posts from the community but then could still continue the discussion on the actual post itself - as too could others who, having begun such a conversation, did not have to have it yanked out from under them. (Likewise anyone who had the URL could join in, even if they weren't there when it got "removed".)
Some of the more interesting conversations even would happen that way, and I now find it highly ironic that even Reddit allows for less abusive moderation practices than the incomplete software here - please be assured that I'm talking purely about the software level here, not the human element where most mods there (especially for larger subs) were dicks (and nowadays are reputedly mostly half-hearted bots). Of course, our own mods here are wonderful and entirely without any negative qualities, especially in this, < insert current community name here >.
Arguably the OPer does (or rather , should) not fully "own" the full threaded conversation, only their own part in it (or at least if mods should have the option to delete it all, offer the option to NOT do that too!?). Imho the Threadiverse software would be greatly improved by allowing an OPer (or a mod) to delete only the actual post, leaving the rest of the content (responses) intact.
Otherwise it limits engagement - why provide sources and in-depth analysis when it could all go away in a flash? Plus it irks me that even Reddit handles this much better than we do, even 2.5 years after Rexodus. Fuck spez, but I guess for now he wins this round.
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I see both of those issues as being in the same vein yeah. Even when I was a mod of a small community on Reddit, I would have to remove posts from the community but then could still continue the discussion on the actual post itself - as too could others who, having begun such a conversation, did not have to have it yanked out from under them. (Likewise anyone who had the URL could join in, even if they weren't there when it got "removed".)
Some of the more interesting conversations even would happen that way, and I now find it highly ironic that even Reddit allows for less abusive moderation practices than the incomplete software here - please be assured that I'm talking purely about the software level here, not the human element where most mods there (especially for larger subs) were dicks (and nowadays are reputedly mostly half-hearted bots). Of course, our own mods here are wonderful and entirely without any negative qualities, especially in this, < insert current community name here >.
Arguably the OPer does (or rather , should) not fully "own" the full threaded conversation, only their own part in it (or at least if mods should have the option to delete it all, offer the option to NOT do that too!?). Imho the Threadiverse software would be greatly improved by allowing an OPer (or a mod) to delete only the actual post, leaving the rest of the content (responses) intact.
Otherwise it limits engagement - why provide sources and in-depth analysis when it could all go away in a flash? Plus it irks me that even Reddit handles this much better than we do, even 2.5 years after Rexodus. Fuck spez, but I guess for now he wins this round.
By the way I'm pretty sure Reddit is going to change how it handles deleted threads at some point.
It will more resemble the Fediverse in that a removal (mods or users) glasses it entirely.
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By the way I'm pretty sure Reddit is going to change how it handles deleted threads at some point.
It will more resemble the Fediverse in that a removal (mods or users) glasses it entirely.
Yikes. I mean, I get that sometimes that would be absolutely necessary - like CSAM - but most of the time it seems not so much? In the case of the multimillion dollar company Reddit, who already has an implementation to do things in a good way but then chooses to discard that, I would argue that such a change would be indicative of a shift towards greater authoritarian control.
But that's all the worse then for us to be doing the same identical behavior, even if for reasons of insufficient resources to accomplish the implementation of anything different.
Edit: or do any of the 3rd party apps choose to do differently? That would not alleviate the responsibility of the software to do so, but it could help...
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(it really would be nice to see a more graceful handling of these)
Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
Wow, thanks!
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
It's interesting because deleted comments do turn up in search results on Lemmy, it's just clicking on them goes nowhere. I always thought that was weird.
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
Ah, one problem: the "options" menu does not seem to work on deleted content, which would prevent it from (readily) being able to be bookmarked. (I am talking the options menu on the page itself, with a URL in the form https://piefed.social/post/<id>.)
Otherwise, it is looking kinda gorgeous!
Seriously, you are the best! (for offering us hope of even better things to come than this)
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
If at least one user bookmarks the post through Piefed, then it will not be deleted? Maybe people are likely to use their browser's bookmark system instead. Could another condition such as a new comment, or a new vote, since the post got deleted by OP, be used instead?
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If at least one user bookmarks the post through Piefed, then it will not be deleted? Maybe people are likely to use their browser's bookmark system instead. Could another condition such as a new comment, or a new vote, since the post got deleted by OP, be used instead?
Rimu clarified in his announcement post: https://piefed.social/post/1626403
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Ah, one problem: the "options" menu does not seem to work on deleted content, which would prevent it from (readily) being able to be bookmarked. (I am talking the options menu on the page itself, with a URL in the form https://piefed.social/post/<id>.)
Otherwise, it is looking kinda gorgeous!
Seriously, you are the best! (for offering us hope of even better things to come than this)
Ah, good catch.
v1.4.4 is released...
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If at least one user bookmarks the post through Piefed, then it will not be deleted? Maybe people are likely to use their browser's bookmark system instead. Could another condition such as a new comment, or a new vote, since the post got deleted by OP, be used instead?
Yes I think we're going to need to refine the retention logic a bit, eventually. Thanks for these ideas.
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Ah, good catch.
v1.4.4 is released...
Hrm, well now I am able to ask for the Bookmark to be made, but I do not actually see the content in the list of Bookmarked items. Which isn't so much a "problem" as I have the link elsewhere, but is definitely weird, so I thought I'd let you know!
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(it really would be nice to see a more graceful handling of these)
Hit me hard last night.
Spent an hour formulating my response, websearching, querying back and forth with an LLM, doing maths in ghci, only to find the 4 hour old post deleted before I got to send my response.
Mildly ironic, that the post was about intelligence.
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Rimu clarified in his announcement post: https://piefed.social/post/1626403
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Doh!
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Ok.
I've made it so that deleted posts are still viewable, including their comments. The post author and body will NOT be visible. Deleted posts will not show up in communities, search results, etc just as before - you need the URL of the post to get to it. Bookmark a deleted post within 7 days or it will be deleted for real.
Ask your instance admin to upgrade to v1.4.3. Chances are they'll be on 1.4.x already so this will be easy for them.
Could this be open to "abuse" though?
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Hit me hard last night.
Spent an hour formulating my response, websearching, querying back and forth with an LLM, doing maths in ghci, only to find the 4 hour old post deleted before I got to send my response.
Mildly ironic, that the post was about intelligence.
Or lack thereof, perhaps? ðĪŠ
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Could this be open to "abuse" though?
Definitely. But... so can pretty much anything else?
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Hrm, well now I am able to ask for the Bookmark to be made, but I do not actually see the content in the list of Bookmarked items. Which isn't so much a "problem" as I have the link elsewhere, but is definitely weird, so I thought I'd let you know!
Ok i'll fix that. We're getting there!
