@johnonolan @thisismissem @julian @hongminhee @pfefferle definitely a situation where neither of us is convincing the other ‍️. But I’m just some guy with opinions on the internet (and experience in other OSS projects). My opinions deserve no weight here, so I will slink away
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@johnonolan @thisismissem @julian @hongminhee @pfefferle thankfully Linus has never been a reasonable standard for how to treat other people, not now, and not then.
And there is a huge difference between “we will not merge your code without talking about it first” and “if you write code without talking to us, we will not merge it”. I hope you can see that.
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@julian I agree, you have beaten that analogy to death
You are welcome to do whatever the hell you want with code I post for free on the internet. And I am welcome to ignore all of that work, or not.
Nothing you do to my code intrinsically affects anything in my life.
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@thisismissem @johnonolan @julian @hongminhee @pfefferle totally. These just don’t feel like nudges.
And sometimes, those big pull requests are the only way someone can work. It doesn’t mean the maintainers owe the author anything. But there are a *lot* of people whose first step cannot be “have sizable organization and permission meeting with stranger”.
All of my major pre-puppet contributions started with experimenting with code.
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@johnonolan @thisismissem @julian @hongminhee @pfefferle it’s only rearranging the furniture if they accept the PR, as you know.
OSS is supposed to be about permissionless innovation, so it’s weird to have to get permission first.
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@thisismissem @johnonolan @julian @hongminhee @pfefferle that’s good to hear. Because… that’s not the way I see them talk about it. Literally every time someone talks about doing a PR, there’s a request for consultation beforehand. I’ve never seen that in any other community.
(It’s true that my OSS contributions were mostly quite a while ago. And a lot of them were to the project I started, which I absolutely did not run that way.)
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Relaxing treatment of non-notes by Mastodon@johnonolan @julian @thisismissem @hongminhee @pfefferle except the maintainers have made it clear they do not want PRs unless you get pre-approval from them for your implementation plan or whatever.