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I'm excited to show off #Atlas - a social mapping server for the #Fediverse.

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  • computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @thisismissem @benpate i was also thinking how this is solved by the foursquares etc., aside from moderation. limiting notes to pois instead of arbitrary latitude-longitude-tuples may also be a viable strategy, and that might make it easier to figure out whom to even ask for consent, or who may be able to manage allowlists or similar mechanisms. not arguing to replicate that exactly, but remember foursquare mayors? the fediverse might have elected janitor groups.

    i'm aware that i'm sharing half-finished thoughts, and i hope i'll find a bit more time for this.

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    • computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC computersandblues@post.lurk.org

      @thisismissem @benpate i was also thinking how this is solved by the foursquares etc., aside from moderation. limiting notes to pois instead of arbitrary latitude-longitude-tuples may also be a viable strategy, and that might make it easier to figure out whom to even ask for consent, or who may be able to manage allowlists or similar mechanisms. not arguing to replicate that exactly, but remember foursquare mayors? the fediverse might have elected janitor groups.

      i'm aware that i'm sharing half-finished thoughts, and i hope i'll find a bit more time for this.

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      @computersandblues @thisismissem

      Half finished thoughts are the best!

      And, I know I'm dipping into some choppy waters here, but I think "consent" relates to what content the server wants to share, and not consent of the "property/location owner."

      I recognize there's potential for abuse (i.e. doxxing someone) but that exists outside of a mapping app, too.

      But there's also cool use cases for non-consensual digital graffiti.. something in the spirit of:

      https://observer.com/2025/10/artists-indigenous-ar-intervention-met-american-wing/

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      • computersandblues@post.lurk.orgC computersandblues@post.lurk.org

        @thisismissem @benpate i was also thinking how this is solved by the foursquares etc., aside from moderation. limiting notes to pois instead of arbitrary latitude-longitude-tuples may also be a viable strategy, and that might make it easier to figure out whom to even ask for consent, or who may be able to manage allowlists or similar mechanisms. not arguing to replicate that exactly, but remember foursquare mayors? the fediverse might have elected janitor groups.

        i'm aware that i'm sharing half-finished thoughts, and i hope i'll find a bit more time for this.

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        @computersandblues @thisismissem

        But back to your original point, it could be interesting to roll up all of the notes about a particular POI, to say something meaningful about what's going on there.

        That's probably out of scope for me right now, while I'm just learning how to make maps. But I'm making a note to research this some time down the road.

        Fortunately, we have a lot of "closed source" research that we can lean on, then just cherry pick the best ideas and make them "open."

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        • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

          @computersandblues @thisismissem

          Half finished thoughts are the best!

          And, I know I'm dipping into some choppy waters here, but I think "consent" relates to what content the server wants to share, and not consent of the "property/location owner."

          I recognize there's potential for abuse (i.e. doxxing someone) but that exists outside of a mapping app, too.

          But there's also cool use cases for non-consensual digital graffiti.. something in the spirit of:

          https://observer.com/2025/10/artists-indigenous-ar-intervention-met-american-wing/

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          benpate@mastodon.social there's multiple levels of consent. If you create a post with me mentioned in it with my location, I should probably have to accept that post for me to be mentioned in it. Otherwise someone can see me out and about, and create a post without me knowing that gives other people my location.

          Hence, to tag other people at a location, they should have to accept that tag:

          • Allow anyone to tag me at locations (potentially unsafe)
          • Allow my followers to tag me at locations
          • Allow my following to tag me at locations
          • Allow this specific collection of Actors to tag me at locations
          • Don't allow anyone to tag me at locations.

          This could be achieved through an interaction policy on the Actor (though that's not yet a thing? I think interaction policies in GTS are only on Notes/objects)

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            #54

            @thisismissem Yes, you're raising some important points that we should cover. And, it's easy to see the potential for someone to post harmful content on a map.

            But I don't see it being any different from posting harmful content in any other medium they have. Witness the dude live tweeting celebrity plane locations.

            Fundamentally, people *should* be able to talk about others behind their backs. Maps or not, if they post data they shouldn't, then it's probably an issue for server mods, yes?

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              @thisismissem

              I read up on Interaction Policies. They're a great idea, but it looks like these are requests that only work if other servers enforce them.

              I'm suspicious of things like this that can't be enforced beyond my own server because (as we've seen too many times) only the good guys will follow the rules, leaving the bad guys with an unfair advantage.

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              • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                I'm excited to show off #Atlas - a social mapping server for the #Fediverse. In about two weeks, we've gone from crazy on I70 to a fledgling app that lets me annotate any location on the globe and share it over #ActivityPub

                There's still a lot to do. But there's enough here for me to ask for your help. I would love to hear what you think of this short video, and to start talking to everyone out there who's interested in making maps on the Fediverse.

                https://clip.place/w/4JHMF5FQoZw58UPwL6BLyv

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                @benpate great idea! I loved using Foursquare back in the day

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                • mlabowicz@hachyderm.ioM mlabowicz@hachyderm.io

                  @benpate great idea! I loved using Foursquare back in the day

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                  @mlabowicz

                  Exactly. I’m still putting together features, and looking for input from the community on what it should look like.

                  So, what should it look like? Ratings? Rankings? Badges?

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                  • benpate@mastodon.socialB benpate@mastodon.social

                    @mlabowicz

                    Exactly. I’m still putting together features, and looking for input from the community on what it should look like.

                    So, what should it look like? Ratings? Rankings? Badges?

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                    #58

                    @benpate I enjoyed the "mayor of" aspect of foursquare which you could earn after checking into a location more frequently than others during a period of time. Ratings would also be a useful addition

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                    • mlabowicz@hachyderm.ioM mlabowicz@hachyderm.io

                      @benpate I enjoyed the "mayor of" aspect of foursquare which you could earn after checking into a location more frequently than others during a period of time. Ratings would also be a useful addition

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                      @mlabowicz

                      Thanks! I’ll have to figure out how to get this done. Right now, #Emissary is pretty light on stats and analytics, but I can see how this would help make it fun for people to use 🙂

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