Mastodon.social's continued growth as a percentage of the Fedi is (IMHO) worrying, I did a thread about this: https://social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/115492120189076969
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@ikuturso Those just literally are starting to accept new users widely, you could say in its infancy ActivityPub looked the same.
It's apples and oranges comparing the two in terms of what's going to happen next.
One thing i can assure you is, many of those 6 million active users there would rather use #Bluesky than #Twitter and they have zero interest in coming to #Mastodon.
I just spent 2 years on Bluesky while also still being here on another instance and saw convos daily on both.
@ikuturso I would agree with #Bluesky PBC wanting to be the only game in town in many ways, it is good for their business model.
But the user base are frustrated ex-twitter users who aren't going back there, many have tried #Mastodon and don't like it or think negatively of it even ignorantly to want to try it.
So they likely will stick it out on Bluesky the instance until #decentralization is more widespread imo.
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@ikuturso Those just literally are starting to accept new users widely, you could say in its infancy ActivityPub looked the same.
It's apples and oranges comparing the two in terms of what's going to happen next.
One thing i can assure you is, many of those 6 million active users there would rather use #Bluesky than #Twitter and they have zero interest in coming to #Mastodon.
I just spent 2 years on Bluesky while also still being here on another instance and saw convos daily on both.
@transicorn I don't think ActivityPub ever looked anything remotely like it because ActivityPub was about federation from day one. Mastodon was built for, encouraged and easily enabled federation from the moment it began its ActivityPub journey.
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@transicorn I don't think ActivityPub ever looked anything remotely like it because ActivityPub was about federation from day one. Mastodon was built for, encouraged and easily enabled federation from the moment it began its ActivityPub journey.
@ikuturso Sure, they are different there.
But the fact that #ActivityPub being so much older has never even come close to what #Bluesky is doing in user / account numbers is undeniable proof that overwhelmingly the average #SocialMedia user prefers Bluesky over #Mastodon and all ActivityPub projects aside from that.
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@ikuturso I would agree with #Bluesky PBC wanting to be the only game in town in many ways, it is good for their business model.
But the user base are frustrated ex-twitter users who aren't going back there, many have tried #Mastodon and don't like it or think negatively of it even ignorantly to want to try it.
So they likely will stick it out on Bluesky the instance until #decentralization is more widespread imo.
@transicorn yeah, there's certainly some disproportionately loud part of the userbase that are against going to Mastodon.
With the recent troubles with the CEO etc. you could see there were also many people who had no strong opinion on Mastodon though while those other people were trying to smear it.
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@transicorn yeah, there's certainly some disproportionately loud part of the userbase that are against going to Mastodon.
With the recent troubles with the CEO etc. you could see there were also many people who had no strong opinion on Mastodon though while those other people were trying to smear it.
@ikuturso I think it's obvious for many reasons the average #SocialMedia user in 2025 wants what #Bluesky offers, not what #Mastodon offers.
Personally i prefer Mastodon and bridging my account to Bluesky as well.
Time will tell if things change but there are many reasons why folks prefer Bluesky, including many who were here for years who've abandoned their accounts entirely or nearly entirely for it.
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@ikuturso I think it's obvious for many reasons the average #SocialMedia user in 2025 wants what #Bluesky offers, not what #Mastodon offers.
Personally i prefer Mastodon and bridging my account to Bluesky as well.
Time will tell if things change but there are many reasons why folks prefer Bluesky, including many who were here for years who've abandoned their accounts entirely or nearly entirely for it.
@ikuturso It's late here and i need to shower and sleep but i appreciate the conversation! I genuinely am interested in #decentralization overall, whether it be #ActivityPub or #ATProto and imo i think both succeeding and bridging accounts between the two is likely the future of #SocialMedia.
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@ikuturso It's late here and i need to shower and sleep but i appreciate the conversation! I genuinely am interested in #decentralization overall, whether it be #ActivityPub or #ATProto and imo i think both succeeding and bridging accounts between the two is likely the future of #SocialMedia.
@transicorn Yeah thanks for the convo. I think we agree on that one, I definitely like to see as much interoperability as possible.
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@transicorn @ikuturso fascinating to follow your discussion. I started out bsky and masto at tge same time. Bsky is much more attractive and easy to use and became what I used. But a while back I switched to Mastodon when I realised properly that bsky is for profit an VC.
Even though its not "kosher" I'd like to see some mild form of "algo" here, that's a drawback. But the free, decentralised and open source nature of Mastodon makes it superior by miles and miles to me.
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@transicorn While I'd certainly like to see more users I can understand not everyone cares that much and has other priorities. The thing is that the fediverse has been around and likely will continue to be for a long time at this point. Not everyone cares to chase the numbers that much and whether they grow or not isn't so much a question of life and death here unlike for something like Bluesky.
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Yes! THIS point: "Not everyone cares to chase the numbers".It remains to be seen if a decentralised federated "social" network can accommodate both number chasers and.. um what could one call the others... Maybe put it in terms of quantity vs quality?
Numbers, likes, follows, boosts, re-whatever, i am still not convinced there is much value in it, apart from the value as the addictive behaviour modifiers they were designed to be.
Not even for artists, musicians or others looking for "exposure". I come from a time when we wrote, drew, printed and photocopied flyers and handed them out in bars. I recorded many demos and saw many bands and musicians come and go. I saw many extremely talented writers and players go unnoticed.
It is not better now with "social" media and likes, follows. I believe it is worse. Jaron Lanier, for what it is worth, wrote a lot about this.
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@ikuturso
Yes! THIS point: "Not everyone cares to chase the numbers".It remains to be seen if a decentralised federated "social" network can accommodate both number chasers and.. um what could one call the others... Maybe put it in terms of quantity vs quality?
Numbers, likes, follows, boosts, re-whatever, i am still not convinced there is much value in it, apart from the value as the addictive behaviour modifiers they were designed to be.
Not even for artists, musicians or others looking for "exposure". I come from a time when we wrote, drew, printed and photocopied flyers and handed them out in bars. I recorded many demos and saw many bands and musicians come and go. I saw many extremely talented writers and players go unnoticed.
It is not better now with "social" media and likes, follows. I believe it is worse. Jaron Lanier, for what it is worth, wrote a lot about this.
@keith @ikuturso @homegrown So anyone who uses platforms you don't like or wants exposure doesn't make quality music? That seems a bit ignorant.
Also, i come from a time in the 80s and 90s where i personally made cassette tapes, handed them out, made my own CD's, got them in record stores myself by talking to shop owners, released a single on a floppy disc, made enhanced A/V and enhanced mp3/audio hybrid cd's and got my stuff played on local radio... all on my own.
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@keith @ikuturso @homegrown So anyone who uses platforms you don't like or wants exposure doesn't make quality music? That seems a bit ignorant.
Also, i come from a time in the 80s and 90s where i personally made cassette tapes, handed them out, made my own CD's, got them in record stores myself by talking to shop owners, released a single on a floppy disc, made enhanced A/V and enhanced mp3/audio hybrid cd's and got my stuff played on local radio... all on my own.
@keith @ikuturso @homegrown Digital distribution is just another outlet for indie musicians to get heard and possibly grow their fan base and/or profit from their work.
That should be obvious but it sounds more like you have strong negative opinions on anyone doing things in any way you don't like so there's not really much to discuss here given that.
I'm talking about artists having options, you're here to demean them should they use them.
