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  3. I see the #fedi announcement by a commercial marketing agency of a venture capital based app store joining the fediverse.

I see the #fedi announcement by a commercial marketing agency of a venture capital based app store joining the fediverse.

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  • smallcircles@social.coopS This user is from outside of this forum
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    I see the #fedi announcement by a commercial marketing agency of a venture capital based app store joining the fediverse.

    Is the #fediverse we have capable of avoiding #enshittification as it grows and attracts an increasing number of corporations, who make it their market?

    Is our #ActivityPub landscape resistant to corporate capture and eventual takeover and domination? Just like the Corporate Web, also decentralized.

    There are nice niches on the web, like a bloggosphere, bulletin boards, and news readers, that all still exist. But web as a whole is predominantly corporate, arguably not commons based, for the people by the people.

    Social experience design defines "commons based" as "where people are in control of their future on a path of healthy evolution and natural growth". A core principle is being sustainable at all times, and timely acknowledge and mitigate risks.

    Is fediverse commons based? Did we cocreate the Future of Social networking?

    #SX #SocialCoding #poll #AskFedi

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      I see the #fedi announcement by a commercial marketing agency of a venture capital based app store joining the fediverse.

      Is the #fediverse we have capable of avoiding #enshittification as it grows and attracts an increasing number of corporations, who make it their market?

      Is our #ActivityPub landscape resistant to corporate capture and eventual takeover and domination? Just like the Corporate Web, also decentralized.

      There are nice niches on the web, like a bloggosphere, bulletin boards, and news readers, that all still exist. But web as a whole is predominantly corporate, arguably not commons based, for the people by the people.

      Social experience design defines "commons based" as "where people are in control of their future on a path of healthy evolution and natural growth". A core principle is being sustainable at all times, and timely acknowledge and mitigate risks.

      Is fediverse commons based? Did we cocreate the Future of Social networking?

      #SX #SocialCoding #poll #AskFedi

      applepine@todon.nlA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @smallcircles private property social media is *designed* to make you stay there as long as possible — creating familiarity and making you remember and think about it more frequently.

      Since #fediverse intent to be healthier, it does't break your #autonomy about your time and probably never makes you addicted. The consequence is that it's harder to stay using it more than how much we used corporate social media. Plus, the fact that popular people aren't much here.

      Both of the things we "lack of" are interesting only for #capitalism , not the liberating place we're making.

      What I think can be done about Fediverse popularity is attracting more progressive and popular people here — by actually presenting it to them.

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      • applepine@todon.nlA applepine@todon.nl

        @smallcircles private property social media is *designed* to make you stay there as long as possible — creating familiarity and making you remember and think about it more frequently.

        Since #fediverse intent to be healthier, it does't break your #autonomy about your time and probably never makes you addicted. The consequence is that it's harder to stay using it more than how much we used corporate social media. Plus, the fact that popular people aren't much here.

        Both of the things we "lack of" are interesting only for #capitalism , not the liberating place we're making.

        What I think can be done about Fediverse popularity is attracting more progressive and popular people here — by actually presenting it to them.

        applepine@todon.nlA This user is from outside of this forum
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        @smallcircles What I mean is keep not immitating #twitter, but to keep maing it more healthy and to invite more people

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        • applepine@todon.nlA applepine@todon.nl

          @smallcircles private property social media is *designed* to make you stay there as long as possible — creating familiarity and making you remember and think about it more frequently.

          Since #fediverse intent to be healthier, it does't break your #autonomy about your time and probably never makes you addicted. The consequence is that it's harder to stay using it more than how much we used corporate social media. Plus, the fact that popular people aren't much here.

          Both of the things we "lack of" are interesting only for #capitalism , not the liberating place we're making.

          What I think can be done about Fediverse popularity is attracting more progressive and popular people here — by actually presenting it to them.

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          clickymcticker@hachyderm.io
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          @applepine @smallcircles I don’t think intent really applies to addiction. I certainly believe it is possible for someone to become to social media of any kind, regardless of intentions or feeds or the existence of influencers. All it takes is a feeling of escape from reality and you’re hooked.

          I think there are ways of monetization that we can’t even dream of, so capitalism will rear its nasty head if we are large enough and they find their way.

          That said, look at the current web. While it has certainly centralized in most ways, there still exist smaller networks of people. Cut out the corporate webpages and people who only use those, then look the number of users and webpages today versus say 1995. I’d imagine there are simply a lot more people and webpages which simply get overshadowed. The web is still here if you get off the beaten path. Corporations win by making consumption easy.

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            @applepine @smallcircles I don’t think intent really applies to addiction. I certainly believe it is possible for someone to become to social media of any kind, regardless of intentions or feeds or the existence of influencers. All it takes is a feeling of escape from reality and you’re hooked.

            I think there are ways of monetization that we can’t even dream of, so capitalism will rear its nasty head if we are large enough and they find their way.

            That said, look at the current web. While it has certainly centralized in most ways, there still exist smaller networks of people. Cut out the corporate webpages and people who only use those, then look the number of users and webpages today versus say 1995. I’d imagine there are simply a lot more people and webpages which simply get overshadowed. The web is still here if you get off the beaten path. Corporations win by making consumption easy.

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            @ClickyMcTicker @smallcircles for-profit will ALLWAYS have more means to promote itself. That's why the rest gets overshadowes.
            Progressivist spaces are pratically shadowbanned until capital exist.

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            • applepine@todon.nlA applepine@todon.nl

              @smallcircles private property social media is *designed* to make you stay there as long as possible — creating familiarity and making you remember and think about it more frequently.

              Since #fediverse intent to be healthier, it does't break your #autonomy about your time and probably never makes you addicted. The consequence is that it's harder to stay using it more than how much we used corporate social media. Plus, the fact that popular people aren't much here.

              Both of the things we "lack of" are interesting only for #capitalism , not the liberating place we're making.

              What I think can be done about Fediverse popularity is attracting more progressive and popular people here — by actually presenting it to them.

              fwtl@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              @applepine @smallcircles You can have user retention without using dark patterns or doing everything to make people stay there the app just has to be fun and provide content the person may like

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                @applepine @smallcircles You can have user retention without using dark patterns or doing everything to make people stay there the app just has to be fun and provide content the person may like

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                @fwtl @smallcircles

                Sure, it's just that X, #meta and etc exploit it. That's why thier work is easier.

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                • applepine@todon.nlA applepine@todon.nl

                  @ClickyMcTicker @smallcircles for-profit will ALLWAYS have more means to promote itself. That's why the rest gets overshadowes.
                  Progressivist spaces are pratically shadowbanned until capital exist.

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                  clickymcticker@hachyderm.io
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                  @applepine @smallcircles Absolutely.
                  Maintaining our networking and discovery (people and resources) is critical.

                  I am still wishing for an advertising/marketing collapse which brings down corporate social media, but I am not hopeful on that one. It would solve a lot of social issues, but it would have happened years ago.

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                  • applepine@todon.nlA applepine@todon.nl

                    @fwtl @smallcircles

                    Sure, it's just that X, #meta and etc exploit it. That's why thier work is easier.

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                    @applepine @smallcircles of course my point is we can integrate things like algos that are designed to just provide a good experience, of course it needs to be open (so that we can see what they do and why they recommend certain things)

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                      @goakam
                      I worry that while Mastodon isn't monitoring and monetising everything we do a la Facebook etc, there's nothing to prevent external actors scraping everything we do here and building just as precise a profile.

                      But yes, they can't tailor our feeds or advertise here, which are pretty big advantages!

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