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Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

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  • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

    Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

    People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

    Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
    Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
    Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
    Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
    Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

    None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

    People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

    And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

    So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

    But what would help even more is something simpler:
    more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

    That’s how networks grow.
    People follow people not platforms.

    #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

    julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
    julian@activitypub.spaceJ This user is from outside of this forum
    julian@activitypub.space
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    > @mapache@hachyderm.io said:
    >
    > Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
    > Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
    > Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
    > Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
    > Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

    Is this the case because the sites were built from the ground-up to be poor, or was it a result of enshittification after-the-fact?

    The assumption still holds true that sites become popular because they serve a need... they do something well enough that users go to it for lack of a better option.

    I think the limiting factor toward mainstream adoption is not merely that ActivityPub implementations are better than alternatives, but they are not 10x better than alternatives. Usability fixes are one aspect, we need to keep outpacing the competition.

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    • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

      Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

      People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

      Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
      Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
      Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
      Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
      Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

      None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

      People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

      And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

      So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

      But what would help even more is something simpler:
      more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

      That’s how networks grow.
      People follow people not platforms.

      #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

      frank@fraxoweb.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
      frank@fraxoweb.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
      frank@fraxoweb.social
      wrote last edited by
      #5

      @mapache That's true.

      Even me, deleting my 'mainstream' social media took a lot of effort, mentally speaking.

      It's a big decision.

      It's like leaving a party alone while everybody is still having fun.

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      • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

        Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

        People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

        Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
        Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
        Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
        Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
        Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

        None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

        People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

        And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

        So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

        But what would help even more is something simpler:
        more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

        That’s how networks grow.
        People follow people not platforms.

        #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

        faraiwe@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
        faraiwe@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
        faraiwe@mstdn.social
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        #6

        @mapache see also, the "But I don't know how to use linux!!" from people who have NO GODDAMNED IDEA how to use... windows.

        The real question is, do we really want that type of growth, motivated by personality cults? It brought nothing but toxicity to past DTBO socmedia platforms.

        Food for thought.

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        • frank@fraxoweb.socialF frank@fraxoweb.social

          @mapache That's true.

          Even me, deleting my 'mainstream' social media took a lot of effort, mentally speaking.

          It's a big decision.

          It's like leaving a party alone while everybody is still having fun.

          menos@todon.euM This user is from outside of this forum
          menos@todon.euM This user is from outside of this forum
          menos@todon.eu
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          #7

          @frank @mapache It helps to remember that virtually everybody's fun is shooting up dopamine while shouting at each other.

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          • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

            Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

            People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

            Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
            Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
            Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
            Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
            Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

            None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

            People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

            And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

            So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

            But what would help even more is something simpler:
            more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

            That’s how networks grow.
            People follow people not platforms.

            #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

            crabbyit@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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            crabbyit@infosec.exchange
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            @mapache Mainstream social media is easy for your mom to join and find what she wants. Fediverse isn't local enough.

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            • crabbyit@infosec.exchangeC crabbyit@infosec.exchange

              @mapache Mainstream social media is easy for your mom to join and find what she wants. Fediverse isn't local enough.

              mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
              mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
              mapache@hachyderm.io
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              #9

              @CrabbyIT but I think it should be.

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              • menos@todon.euM menos@todon.eu

                @frank @mapache It helps to remember that virtually everybody's fun is shooting up dopamine while shouting at each other.

                mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
                mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
                mapache@hachyderm.io
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                #10

                @menos @frank I hate that.

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                • faraiwe@mstdn.socialF faraiwe@mstdn.social

                  @mapache see also, the "But I don't know how to use linux!!" from people who have NO GODDAMNED IDEA how to use... windows.

                  The real question is, do we really want that type of growth, motivated by personality cults? It brought nothing but toxicity to past DTBO socmedia platforms.

                  Food for thought.

                  mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mapache@hachyderm.io
                  wrote last edited by
                  #11

                  @faraiwe I agree, I don't want personality cults here, but I wish I could reach out to more of my real-life friends here, tbh, even if just photos of people I care. And people follow people.

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                  • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                    @faraiwe I agree, I don't want personality cults here, but I wish I could reach out to more of my real-life friends here, tbh, even if just photos of people I care. And people follow people.

                    faraiwe@mstdn.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    faraiwe@mstdn.social
                    wrote last edited by
                    #12

                    @mapache have you invited them?

                    I get it, most see CHOOSING a server is a daunting high peak to overcome, but a nudge and suggestion to prod them over that life-altering (...) decision will land them at the common "enter a login and a password here" part of the process.

                    FWIW, AYBABTU, etc, What I has been happening is, most folks are burnt out from DTBO socmedia platforms, and consider fediverse to be Yet Another.

                    Curiously, the same people ends up at blewski. Because cult of personality.

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                    • faraiwe@mstdn.socialF faraiwe@mstdn.social

                      @mapache have you invited them?

                      I get it, most see CHOOSING a server is a daunting high peak to overcome, but a nudge and suggestion to prod them over that life-altering (...) decision will land them at the common "enter a login and a password here" part of the process.

                      FWIW, AYBABTU, etc, What I has been happening is, most folks are burnt out from DTBO socmedia platforms, and consider fediverse to be Yet Another.

                      Curiously, the same people ends up at blewski. Because cult of personality.

                      mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      mapache@hachyderm.io
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                      #13

                      @faraiwe exactly! We need to start inviting more people here. @stefan created a nice tool for it: https://invite.jointhefediverse.net/?server=hachyderm.io&apps=1,2,3,5

                      and also we can have a "Invite one person to the fediverse" day?

                      A day where everyone at the fediverse go and reach a friend, family, stranger, coworker, partner, mistress, neighbor, rival, coffee buddy, artist, business partner, etc... and invites them/onboard-them to any of the #fediverse apps.

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                      • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                        Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

                        People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

                        Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
                        Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
                        Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
                        Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
                        Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

                        None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

                        People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

                        And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

                        So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

                        But what would help even more is something simpler:
                        more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

                        That’s how networks grow.
                        People follow people not platforms.

                        #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

                        hashraydamon@me.dmH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hashraydamon@me.dmH This user is from outside of this forum
                        hashraydamon@me.dm
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                        #14

                        @mapache my own hot take is that the slow adoption is because there is a weird anti social streak going on here, a significant amount of the starter user base despised the preexisting social networks so they avoid engaging other user which is great to avoid the noise and the rage but not so much if you make things and hope to build a community

                        1/2

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                        • hashraydamon@me.dmH hashraydamon@me.dm

                          @mapache my own hot take is that the slow adoption is because there is a weird anti social streak going on here, a significant amount of the starter user base despised the preexisting social networks so they avoid engaging other user which is great to avoid the noise and the rage but not so much if you make things and hope to build a community

                          1/2

                          hashraydamon@me.dmH This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #15

                          @mapache For example If you are a webcomic artist, come here, get a few hundreds of followers but they can't be bother to even press the like button you probably are not going to stay very long

                          2/2

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                          • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                            Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

                            People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

                            Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
                            Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
                            Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
                            Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
                            Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

                            None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

                            People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

                            And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

                            So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

                            But what would help even more is something simpler:
                            more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

                            That’s how networks grow.
                            People follow people not platforms.

                            #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

                            claudius@darmstadt.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            claudius@darmstadt.social
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                            #16

                            @mapache the obvious elephant in the room: massive marketing.

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                            • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                              @CrabbyIT but I think it should be.

                              crabbyit@infosec.exchangeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              crabbyit@infosec.exchange
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                              @mapache Serious question, how would we accomplish that?

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                              • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                                Every day I’m more convinced that the Fediverse’s slow mainstream adoption isn’t really about usability.

                                People say it’s because it’s hard to join, the terms are confusing, or the apps aren’t polished enough. Maybe a little. But honestly… look at the platforms people already use.

                                Finding anything on LinkedIn is painful.
                                Trying to locate the original video on TikTok is a scavenger hunt.
                                Facebook is still full of weird bugs and odd UI choices.
                                Instagram hides posts behind algorithms.
                                Twitter/X constantly changes the rules of engagement.

                                None of these platforms are exactly “easy.”

                                People stay because their friends are there. Because the big creators are there. Because that’s where the conversation already lives.

                                And, if we’re honest, because these platforms are engineered around a very effective reward loop: notifications, likes, infinite scroll. A dopamine machine. You learn the confusing terms and awkward interfaces because there’s a constant reward for doing so.

                                So yes, making the Fediverse easier to join absolutely helps.

                                But what would help even more is something simpler:
                                more mainstream, recognizable, official accounts showing up here.

                                That’s how networks grow.
                                People follow people not platforms.

                                #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon

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                                emovulcan@mastodon.social
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                                #18

                                @mapache all it takes is a viral moment.

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                                • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                  @mapache the obvious elephant in the room: massive marketing.

                                  mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @claudius I know, I have think about it, but that means probably dirty money. Or regulations.

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                                  • hashraydamon@me.dmH hashraydamon@me.dm

                                    @mapache For example If you are a webcomic artist, come here, get a few hundreds of followers but they can't be bother to even press the like button you probably are not going to stay very long

                                    2/2

                                    mapache@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #20

                                    @hashraydamon I have been inviting a friend who does webcomics, who hates AI, is tired of facebook/instagram/etc... to join pixelfed, and he has just refused and keeps complaining in ... facebook.

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                                    • mapache@hachyderm.ioM mapache@hachyderm.io

                                      @hashraydamon I have been inviting a friend who does webcomics, who hates AI, is tired of facebook/instagram/etc... to join pixelfed, and he has just refused and keeps complaining in ... facebook.

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                                      #21

                                      @mapache pixelfed is a little more active (is user base came from Instagram) If you pick the right server

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