@nelson I'll try to answer you specifically.

> I agree with this point, but also, why make anything then? why make new tools and new technology if it's not going to have the same amount of users right away? I dislike this line of thinking.

Creating new things is important, but it's naive to think they can spread just because they're new or because they work well.
Technological creativity and the diffusion of a technology are like the processes of genetic diversification leading to speciation: the latter is a fortuitous event made possible by the former.

>. I really do not want people to keep trying to monetize social networking

I'm not talking about monetization as a goal, but about funding to make a platform's advertising sustainable (and accelerate its diffusion).

> Plus, you're factually wrong, Jack Dorsey actually

Dorsey was the giant planetary mass that made Bluesky's gravitational slingshot possible. Without Dorsey, Bluesky would have fewer users than Minds.

> The Zot protocol looks absolutely awesome, I want to read more about it!

libera.site/help/developer/zot…

> Now that I think about it, the main issue with ActivityPub and Zot is that both of those protocols failed to be sold to the people, more than to investors.

The "protocol" is not a necessary component of a social network, but only of a decentralized platform. It's not the protocols or philosophies that need to convince the public, but the products: frontends and apps.

> and to this day, no regular person can really decypher what the word "Fediverse" means without having actually read the theory on how the protocol works, a fatal flaw in my opinion

It's not a flaw in the Fediverse, but it's a flaw in the so-called Fediverse evangelists...

> The moment you say "server" to a regular person, it's the exact moment they completely lose the thread.

Very true!

> That's simply not something you see happen on bluesky at all! people just think of it... as the app you install and use.

I'm not surprised: having a lot of money allows you to produce good corporate communications.

@nelson A protocol's success is determined by two factors:
1. The number of users: Activitypub took 10 years to build a significant user base.
2. The ability to attract investors: AT Proto wouldn't exist if a "big tech bro" like Jack Dorsay hadn't sponsored it with the investment funds he was already in contact with. I'd like to point out, however, that Jack Dorsay wasn't as successful when he tried to sponsor the excellent Nostr protocol (which is extremely interesting, too).

This is why the excellent Zot protocol, already used by Hubzilla (and which far surpasses both Activitypub and AT Proto), has never been successful and will never be. The spread of the Zot protocol has certainly not been helped by the fact that the only working product that supports it, Hubzilla, is as intuitive as the control console of a nuclear submarine and as ergonomic as a pair of underwear woven from dragon-scale chainmail.

Now I wish Versia all the best and I also appreciate the fact that there is a bridge with Activitypub (even if I haven't figured out how it works), but in my opinion, the only way to have a chance is to create a software platform that is designed to develop an Android and iOS app that increases its reach among the public.

@julian @glocq I agree! That series of posts created by @crepels are a treasure trove of resources and a masterpiece of clarity!

Fediverso che avanza: il blog e il forum degli Androidiani rinascono con il supporto di Activitypub

Il blog Androidiani.net (questo che state leggendo) parla ora il linguaggio del Fediverso. #WordPress è stato collegato ad #ActivityPub, il protocollo che permette ai contenuti di vivere oltre i confini del singolo sito. Questo significa che ogni articolo pubblicato qui non resta chiuso dentro un dominio, ma diventa un oggetto federato: può essere seguito, commentato e condiviso direttamente da Mastodon, Firefish, Misskey e da qualsiasi altra piattaforma compatibile con ActivityPub. Non serve un account qui per partecipare alla conversazione, non serve iscriversi a un social centralizzato, non serve passare da un algoritmo che decide cosa merita attenzione e cosa no.

Il forum, invece, non è “solo” un forum. Androidiani.net utilizza appunto #NodeBB, che non è semplicemente un software moderno ma una vera e propria istanza federata. Anche qui, i thread non sono più silos isolati: diventano parte del flusso del Fediverso. Le discussioni possono essere seguite dall’esterno, gli utenti del Fediverso possono interagire, rispondere, partecipare. È una comunità che non vive chiusa in una piattaforma ma si connette a una rete più ampia, distribuita, resiliente.

@fediverso

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