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@smallcircles @eyeinthesky I was mostly thinking of the Follow activity and the following collection: it doesn't contain Follow activities, it contains Actors: https://hachyderm.io/users/thisismissem/following?page=1

In Mastodon the "likes" collection for a Note doesn't even include the Actors, just the count: https://browser.pub/https%3A%2F%2Fhachyderm.io%2Fusers%2Fthisismissem%2Fstatuses%2F115622304738688291%2Flikes

@smallcircles @eyeinthesky yeah, making everything an Actor is certainly a choice, and you could do that

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles I suspect this is incorrect. I am pretty sure the likes collection contains only objects, not the activities.

@evan was there an erratum for this? I feel like there was?

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles yeah, and this is a side effect of the activity (e.g., Like) adding to both my likes collection and the likes collection on your post.

So would my add be targeting two collections with an Activity?

What about Announce? That's add to my outbox, add to my boosts collection, and add to your post's boost collection.

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles (funnily enough, in AT Protocol, we only have collections we add records to, all the social layer is defined by applications above, which receive all the changes to records and infer meaning from that)

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles and how do I infer social meaning from you adding an object to a collection? I could only do that if I was adding an activity to a collection

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles that's the thing though! The likes collection doesn't contain activities, it contains objects.

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles you could, but you don't necessarily have to. Depends if adding to that collection has a social action besides the add I think.

Say I have a boops collection which contains actors I've booped. I could have a Boop activity with a side effect (because I want them to know I've booped them), or I could not, and just notify them that I added their Actor to this Collection.

@smallcircles @deadsuperhero I've quietly been borrowing ideas from AT Protocol for ActivityPub:
- declaring moderation actors
- supporting content labels (first party abd third party)
- looking at how custom feeds, DIDs and other tech may translate across

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles yeah, there's those that like side-effects and those that dislike side-effects. Both are valid, AP just chose side effects.

I'm not sure I understand your question

@eyeinthesky @smallcircles because the activity isn't just about the change of the collection, but also notifying the other party our social intention. It could have required Like + Add, but that feels cumbersome and developers love side-effects.

@julian @liaizon @laurenshof wait until after the FEP is written and published..

@liaizon @laurenshof because politics and fights and strong opinions divide us.

Standards work, particularly at the W3C, attracts a certain type of person, and that's usually very different to builders.

@laurenshof @liaizon interactions between AP software devs is painful to watch sometimes, and the lack of interest from imolementers to work on standards is truly impressive.