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Nah, I have a good sound setup and I don't want to be watching movies with less dynamic range because some people are using their shrilly built-in TV speakers with their children screaming in the background or $5 earbuds.

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  • sharkweek@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sharkweek@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    Does night mode fix mumbly american actors who are unintelligible at any volume?

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    stephen01king@lemmy.zip
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    It should reduce the difference between the quietest sound and the loudest sound in a movie, but if an actor doesn't speak clearly in the first place, I don't think it helps much.

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    • A azertyfun@sh.itjust.works

      Nah, I have a good sound setup and I don't want to be watching movies with less dynamic range because some people are using their shrilly built-in TV speakers with their children screaming in the background or $5 earbuds.

      If you don't want to have a proper 5.1 audio setup, it's not the director's problem, it's the media player. Audio compression, center channel boosting, and subtitling are things that media centers have been able to do for decades (e.g. Kodi), it's just that streaming platforms and TVs don't always support it because they DGAF. Do look for a "night mode" in your TV settings though, that's an audio compressor and I have one on my receiver. If you are using headphones, use a media player like Kodi that allows you to boost the center channel (which is dedicated to dialogue).

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      bss03@infosec.pub
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      I guess it's a hot take, but dynamic range is a very useful tool, not limited to movies but also music and almost any audio that isn't just "talking heads".

      I do want explosions to be significantly louder than whispers.

      Not everything is a podcast / video essay that needs to be mixed to minimal dynamic range.

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      • S stephen01king@lemmy.zip

        It should reduce the difference between the quietest sound and the loudest sound in a movie, but if an actor doesn't speak clearly in the first place, I don't think it helps much.

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        sharkweek@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Yeah, that's what I was getting at - many new / recent movies have such poor election that it's hard to tell what they're saying.

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        • sharkweek@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sharkweek@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Yeah, that's what I was getting at - many new / recent movies have such poor election that it's hard to tell what they're saying.

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          stephen01king@lemmy.zip
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          Well, you gotta try it first to know if it helps or not. A lot of the time, it really is just the problem of the movie having an audio dynamic range that is too much for the sound system to handle. In those cases, it really helps when you compress that range to better fit your speaker's capability.

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          • A azertyfun@sh.itjust.works

            Nah, I have a good sound setup and I don't want to be watching movies with less dynamic range because some people are using their shrilly built-in TV speakers with their children screaming in the background or $5 earbuds.

            If you don't want to have a proper 5.1 audio setup, it's not the director's problem, it's the media player. Audio compression, center channel boosting, and subtitling are things that media centers have been able to do for decades (e.g. Kodi), it's just that streaming platforms and TVs don't always support it because they DGAF. Do look for a "night mode" in your TV settings though, that's an audio compressor and I have one on my receiver. If you are using headphones, use a media player like Kodi that allows you to boost the center channel (which is dedicated to dialogue).

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            soggy@lemmy.world
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            I spent $400 on headphones to address this and despite having had enough issues with build quality to not recommend Bowers & Wilkins specifically, they sound damn good.

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            • F fushuan@lemm.ee

              Broooo, did you just say 500 as if that was cheap? Damn. That's what a whole ass tv costs.

              Expecting for sound volumes to be somewhat balanced in a tv or generic player is not too much to ask, I don't care if a surround 5.1 or 9.1 system would have it sound right, because stuff shouldn't be fine-tuned for specialised gear, stuff should be fine-tuned for general usage and specialised gear should have in-house tweaks to make it work well.

              You got it backwards and you sound pretty elitist. I get what you mean with general usage audio programs not fine tuning properly, but you are asking 90% of the population or programs to tweaks their systems so that they work for things fine tuned for 5% of the population/systems. You do see how that sounds pretentious, right? That's how it reads at least.

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              soggy@lemmy.world
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              I, too, am sick of everything being dumbed down for the people least invested in something. It's what a whole ass tv costs because the tv is only half of the system. (Really It's about a third, the last piece is the room you're watching stuff in and the furniture it contains. Physical layout matters.)

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                Nah, I have a good sound setup and I don't want to be watching movies with less dynamic range because some people are using their shrilly built-in TV speakers with their children screaming in the background or $5 earbuds.

                If you don't want to have a proper 5.1 audio setup, it's not the director's problem, it's the media player. Audio compression, center channel boosting, and subtitling are things that media centers have been able to do for decades (e.g. Kodi), it's just that streaming platforms and TVs don't always support it because they DGAF. Do look for a "night mode" in your TV settings though, that's an audio compressor and I have one on my receiver. If you are using headphones, use a media player like Kodi that allows you to boost the center channel (which is dedicated to dialogue).

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                ziglin@lemmy.world
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                Even if I had the money and desire for a setup like that, I would not want a high audio range in media because I hate loud noises and am very sensitive.

                In my opinion the big explosion can be a little bit louder than the footsteps but there doesn't have to be a huge difference. I'll sacrifice some realism for my eardrums.

                And why can't all dialogs be about the same volume either?

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                • F fushuan@lemm.ee

                  Broooo, did you just say 500 as if that was cheap? Damn. That's what a whole ass tv costs.

                  Expecting for sound volumes to be somewhat balanced in a tv or generic player is not too much to ask, I don't care if a surround 5.1 or 9.1 system would have it sound right, because stuff shouldn't be fine-tuned for specialised gear, stuff should be fine-tuned for general usage and specialised gear should have in-house tweaks to make it work well.

                  You got it backwards and you sound pretty elitist. I get what you mean with general usage audio programs not fine tuning properly, but you are asking 90% of the population or programs to tweaks their systems so that they work for things fine tuned for 5% of the population/systems. You do see how that sounds pretentious, right? That's how it reads at least.

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                  azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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                  I see that, but that is not what I am saying.

                  This is just not how things work on a technical level. The default is how cinemas work because that's the experience movies are made for; literally every other way to consume movie audio is "general usage audio programs fine tuning" and that's what needs fixing. That's my entire thesis. By calling me elitist you're just inventing things I'm not saying to get mad over.

                  Yes 500 € is a lot of money. But I will say I bought a good audio setup years before I even had a TV (some parts second hand so it did not actually cost me that much, and a 3.0 setup gets you 80 % of the way there). It's a markedly better experience to watch a movie on a shitty PC monitor with good audio than on a 55" OLED with built-in speakers, and I will die on that hill. And anecdotally I've heard actual filmmakers say as much.

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                  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech

                    people don't like spending money, and it's the entire problem. Visuals people will shell out money for a great TV, but then complain that the audio is terrible. Really people need to invest in both. If you are watching a movie on an expensive TV but didn't do anything for audio, well then of course it won't sound good. TVs aren't designed to have good audio. They give you a speaker to be able to listen to something, but it's a small cheap one or two in the back.

                    Fact is that for movies it's a video and audio, and people should be thinking about both. People don't need to go spend another 500 bucks on a 5.1 system, but even a cheapo sound bar for 150 is going to sound better - because they made it for audio. It's an audio device. I have zero surprise that people can't hear things well from a device that is meant to display visuals first.

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                    azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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                    I had a 5.0 setup before I even bought my first TV. I was just using my PC monitor until then.

                    It's counter-intuitive but decent sound comes first. I'd much rather watch Interstellar in 360p with 5.1 audio than in 4K OLED HDR with built-in speakers.

                    But when you say that people get mad because they spent a grand on a TV that sounds like shit and they feel they have to defend their choices.

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                    • B bss03@infosec.pub

                      I guess it's a hot take, but dynamic range is a very useful tool, not limited to movies but also music and almost any audio that isn't just "talking heads".

                      I do want explosions to be significantly louder than whispers.

                      Not everything is a podcast / video essay that needs to be mixed to minimal dynamic range.

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                      azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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                      Right?! A track like Spanish Sahara by Foals that uses the full dynamic range is such a pleasure to listen to. Then there's In the Air Tonight which IIRC has a digital release with super compressed dynamic range. The whole point of that song is that it slowly builds up to a genre-defining drop, so it had better stand out!

                      But people want to listen to movies on their built-in TV speakers with children crying in the background, and they don't want to understand how or why things are the way they are, they just want to complain that the world doesn't revolve around them.

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                      • Z zombie@feddit.uk

                        We have movies with multiple audio streams. So you can choose English, or French, or crew commentary.

                        Why not have a mix for "standard home TV setup" and a mix for "5.1 ultimate surround sound system" and keep both groups of people happy?

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                        azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
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                        Downmixing is a pretty straightforward affair. You have 6 channels, you need to go to 2, so you just average 4 signals per channel using some weights.

                        Good media players (Kodi) allow you to change those weights, especially for the center channel, and to reduce dynamic range (with a compressor). Problem solved, the movie will be understandable even on shitty built-in TV speakers if you want to do that for some insane reason.

                        The problem is that there are "default" weights for 2.0 downmixing that were made in the 90s for professional audio monitoring headphones, and these are the weights used by shitty software from shitty movie distributors or TV sets that don't care to find out why default downmixing is done the way it is. Netflix could detect that you're using shitty speakers and automatically reduce dynamic range and boost dialogue for you, they just DGAF. But none of that is the movie's problem.

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                        • A azertyfun@sh.itjust.works

                          I had a 5.0 setup before I even bought my first TV. I was just using my PC monitor until then.

                          It's counter-intuitive but decent sound comes first. I'd much rather watch Interstellar in 360p with 5.1 audio than in 4K OLED HDR with built-in speakers.

                          But when you say that people get mad because they spent a grand on a TV that sounds like shit and they feel they have to defend their choices.

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                          scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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                          Agreed. In computer terms it's similar to using integrated graphics when you bought everything else to be a gaming computer. I mean, the integrated graphics will work, but it feels like you're missing a curcial component there. Or buying a computer with a spinning hard disk as it's main drive now. You have to go into the purchase thinking of the whole usage in mind, not just what's on the screen.

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                            Nah, I have a good sound setup and I don't want to be watching movies with less dynamic range because some people are using their shrilly built-in TV speakers with their children screaming in the background or $5 earbuds.

                            If you don't want to have a proper 5.1 audio setup, it's not the director's problem, it's the media player. Audio compression, center channel boosting, and subtitling are things that media centers have been able to do for decades (e.g. Kodi), it's just that streaming platforms and TVs don't always support it because they DGAF. Do look for a "night mode" in your TV settings though, that's an audio compressor and I have one on my receiver. If you are using headphones, use a media player like Kodi that allows you to boost the center channel (which is dedicated to dialogue).

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                            sapphironza@sh.itjust.works
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                            So the excuse you are making is that the performer on stage does not need to speak clearly and loudly, because the people in the first few rows can hear them fine.

                            Good tip on night mode though.

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