When I first started working with #ActivityPub, before #Fedify existed, it felt like writing web apps in Perl and CGI in the late '90s.
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@hongminhee@hollo.social I think you're completely right, and this is coming from somebody who went deep into the weeds of ActivityPub when building out his own implementation.
Generic C2S servers offload the server side aspects to a trusted third party.
Generic S2S frameworks (like fedify!) give you even more control.
We need both! We need fewer idiots like me who decided to implement the entire protocol from the ground up
Do it @hongminhee@hollo.social! DEPRECATE ALL MY HARD WORK ALREADY!!!
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With Fedify & Claude code it took me just 1 few hours to develop a indiekit plugin to exist on the Fediverse with @rick@rmendes.net I spent more time on creating the AP reader to consume data from the Fediverse than anything else that's for sure! Thanks for your absolutely amazing foundational work with Fedify!
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@hongminhee Better developer tooling is the only correct answer to rising complexity. Getting 200 different servers to smoothly interoperate is impossible, but we can do that with 10 libraries.
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@julian@activitypub.space Haha, most ActivityPub implementers have their own frameworks, they just haven't separated them out! It would be really great if there were full-featured ActivityPub frameworks for each of the major programming languages.
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@hongminhee Better developer tooling is the only correct answer to rising complexity. Getting 200 different servers to smoothly interoperate is impossible, but we can do that with 10 libraries.
@silverpill@mitra.social That's right. I think client-side abstraction will be necessary when ActivityPub C2S interactions become more widespread, too.
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With Fedify & Claude code it took me just 1 few hours to develop a indiekit plugin to exist on the Fediverse with @rick@rmendes.net I spent more time on creating the AP reader to consume data from the Fediverse than anything else that's for sure! Thanks for your absolutely amazing foundational work with Fedify!
@rick@rmendes.net Great work, Ricardo! And thank you for using Fedify!
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@hongminhee Is there no official reference SDK for AP?
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@hongminhee Is there no official reference SDK for AP?
@quaff @hongminhee nope, theres not an official anything...
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@quaff @hongminhee nope, theres not an official anything...
@liaizon @hongminhee speaks to the nature of truly open protocols. but would be cool if there was one that devs could rally behind because it's got the best coverage of the spec.
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@liaizon @hongminhee speaks to the nature of truly open protocols. but would be cool if there was one that devs could rally behind because it's got the best coverage of the spec.
@quaff @hongminhee thats the main issue, "the spec" doesn't have the coverage to have an implementation to cover it all. there are a ton of things that are under defined in it or that you need to point to some other spec that points to some other spec etc. thats sorta at the heart of this whole meta conversation thats been taking place recently
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