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  • D derisionconsulting@lemmy.ca

    "Masculinity" isn't toxic on its own, "Toxic Masculinity" is a specific thing on its own.

    It's using the measuring stick of being "masculine enough" or "enough of a man" to harm someone else.

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    jcbazpx@lemmy.world
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    "Masculinity" isn't toxic on its own,

    There are many would disagree with that.

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    • S stratoscaster@lemmy.world

      I think that's the reason why these kinds of derogatory statements are made. It's because masculinity is the sole identity of the fascist (aside from nationalism). Obviously, if you have masculinity be your main ideology, you are a problematic person.

      E.g. calling the proud boys "gravy seals" doesn't make me upset, because I don't care if I'm fat or not, and I don't really subscribe to machiavellianism. They, internally, do and being mocked is an affront to their ideology.

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      nalivai@lemmy.world
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      calling the proud boys "gravy seals" doesn't make me upset

      Good for you. However, there are people who were bullied for being larger than average their wholr live, and this shit reinforces the idea that being fat is something bad and should be mocked.

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      • A agrivar@lemmy.world

        I'd wager it's from your missing or atrophied sense of humor.

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        seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        #131

        Maybe it's just because I'm mentally ill, but if this is what makes regular people laugh then I'm glad to not be regular

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          toottootcomingthru@lemmy.world
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          Dudes getting upset at 🦐 dick jokes will never stop being funny lol.

          Nooo misandry, this feeds small dick men into the alt right pipeline nooo body shaming we have to take the higher moral ground nooo don't make small dick jokes guys.

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          • N nyamlae@lemmy.world

            But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good”

            That's not what bodyshaming does, though.

            If you punch or kill a nazi, that harms the nazi.

            If you joke about nazis compensating for having a small dick, then you are reinforcing the idea that small dicks are bad and something that needs to be compensated for. This harms people with small penises.

            In addition, lots of nazis will have average or big dicks, and will find this kind of post laughable and irrelevant. It's not even harming them.

            So, this post mainly stigmatizes men with a certain body type, and not nazis. This is not good praxis.

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            toottootcomingthru@lemmy.world
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            praxis

            See people with big dicks don't use words like that.

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            • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE explodicle@sh.itjust.works

              Back when the internet sucked, I was young and insecure. So I just asked the girls I slept with how I stacked up against the other guys.

              It's amazing how being young and good looking can make up for being creepy and weird.

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              stebo02@sopuli.xyz
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              being young and good looking can make up for being creepy and weird

              sounds dope, can't relate

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              • I imhotep@lemmy.world

                I'm comparing to find out if I'm a white nationalist

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                stebo02@sopuli.xyz
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                so, are you?

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                • S stebo02@sopuli.xyz

                  so, are you?

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                  imhotep@lemmy.world
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                  Judging by the specimens I found online I think I'm supposed to be Goebbels

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                  • m3t00@lemmy.worldM m3t00@lemmy.world

                    b b but my truck is big

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                    ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                    That’s to solicit yourself at gas/petrol stations, don’t confuse them

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                    • E entwine413@lemm.ee

                      It's shaming them for their toxic masculinity.

                      It's also a comic, so maybe you could loosen up that stick.

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                      throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
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                      #138

                      Are we gonna start calling Kanye West the n word now to "shame him for his nazism"? Please don't start using their terms.

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                      • I imhotep@lemmy.world

                        Judging by the specimens I found online I think I'm supposed to be Goebbels

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                        stebo02@sopuli.xyz
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                        #139

                        darn, too bad

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                        • N nthavoc@lemmy.today

                          Jesus christ these comments. Guys, it's a dick joke, calm your tits.

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                          13igtyme@lemmy.world
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                          A tit joke? In my Dick dick joke thread? Get out of here.

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                          • m3t00@lemmy.worldM m3t00@lemmy.world

                            b b but my truck is big

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                            zoopzezoop@lemmy.world
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                            Hey! Wanna help me move? You can also carry the biggest pieces for furniture to show how superior you are to me! That'll show me!

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                            • S scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              Do you think women are generally dumber than men?

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                              agrivar@lemmy.world
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                              If I had to, I'd guess men are generally dumber than women... but what's that go to do with anything?

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                              • H hellsfire29@lemmy.world

                                Liberals must have huge elephant penises that nobody wants to fuck with.

                                Centrism is where it's at.

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                                rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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                                Link Preview Image
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                                • Z zoopzezoop@lemmy.world

                                  Hey! Wanna help me move? You can also carry the biggest pieces for furniture to show how superior you are to me! That'll show me!

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                                  m3t00@lemmy.world
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                                  my tires are even big

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                                  • toottootcomingthru@lemmy.worldT toottootcomingthru@lemmy.world

                                    Dudes getting upset at 🦐 dick jokes will never stop being funny lol.

                                    Nooo misandry, this feeds small dick men into the alt right pipeline nooo body shaming we have to take the higher moral ground nooo don't make small dick jokes guys.

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                                    throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Spoken like a 4chan user.

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                                    • N nyamlae@lemmy.world

                                      But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good”

                                      That's not what bodyshaming does, though.

                                      If you punch or kill a nazi, that harms the nazi.

                                      If you joke about nazis compensating for having a small dick, then you are reinforcing the idea that small dicks are bad and something that needs to be compensated for. This harms people with small penises.

                                      In addition, lots of nazis will have average or big dicks, and will find this kind of post laughable and irrelevant. It's not even harming them.

                                      So, this post mainly stigmatizes men with a certain body type, and not nazis. This is not good praxis.

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                                      dan00@lemm.ee
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                                      Idk man, not convinced. The whole thing about white supremacy and supremacy in general is being a proud big dick small brain alfa male who commands women.

                                      If you attack them with “oh no your logical fallacies makes you look stupid (respectfully 🙏)” you will be a right, very kind and respectful inmate in cecot.

                                      I don’t believe in these slurs, I don’t condone them and I 100% will support people who might be uncomfortable with them but I also hope they will understand supremacy is fought in the mud. It’s not pretty but at some point it’s all you have left.

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                                      • gsus4@mander.xyzG gsus4@mander.xyz

                                        Shit, that's a tough trolley problem...particularly if your grandpa is an ok guy otherwise and mostly harmless...maybe just lock him out of social media? 😄

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                                        dan00@lemm.ee
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                                        #147

                                        Ehm… he is okay but it’s scary to think he never touched social media. My theory is that fascism is like a cigarette: very social, easy to start, feels good when you do it and your peers will think you look cool but it is also extremely addictive. The more you ingest and “make sense” of fascist propaganda, the more you develop habits to excuse violence and racism. At some point the only working meds are punches.

                                        Note: you will soon realise that when you change tone with fash, they will immediately shit their pants and comply.

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                                        • N nthavoc@lemmy.today

                                          Jesus christ these comments. Guys, it's a dick joke, calm your tits.

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                                          ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf
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                                          I'm seriously sick and tired of this ridiculous outrage over something that very obviously is an insult to Nazis. Everyone here knows that the comic artist doesn't give a shit about penis size. It's simply an insult to someone who does give a shit, namely assholes who live the toxic masculinity lifestyle, something inherently far-right.

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