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  • widdershins@lemmy.worldW widdershins@lemmy.world

    Is it the "?format= " at the end of a url that usually turns a quick download of a .jpg or .gif into a .webp or .webm download?

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    sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I fuckin hate webp format. Pointless format given the use case coverage between jpg and png.

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    • sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone

      I don't know what "image proxying" is. Can someone give me the q&d?

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      cm0002@infosec.pub
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      #5

      It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

      But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

      Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

      So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

      This is what that gif looks like proxied:

      https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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      • C cm0002@infosec.pub

        It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

        But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

        Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

        So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

        This is what that gif looks like proxied:

        https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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        mech@feddit.org
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        #6

        I was wondering why your reply shows up empty on my instance.

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        • C cm0002@infosec.pub

          It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

          But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

          Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

          So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

          This is what that gif looks like proxied:

          https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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          sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Neither of those links display an image for me. One shows a tiny empty box in your comment and the other lands me on a weird little error page about "msg too wide"

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          • sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone

            Neither of those links display an image for me. One shows a tiny empty box in your comment and the other lands me on a weird little error page about "msg too wide"

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            cm0002@infosec.pub
            wrote last edited by cm0002@infosec.pub
            #8

            Yeah, because the proxy has decided it doesn't like it

            This is what I actually wanted to link to/embed

            https://i.ibb.co/8gHKNsT1/michael-scott-why.gif

            Well actually I originally tried with a direct tenor link

            https://tenor.com/bdBiU.gif

            But it didn't like that either

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            • sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              I fuckin hate webp format. Pointless format given the use case coverage between jpg and png.

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              widdershins@lemmy.world
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              #9

              I usually change the url to ".jpeg?format=jpeg" just in case that formatting takes any extra computing on their end. They want to use a boondoggle I'm gonna use the boondoggle.

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              • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                Yeah, because the proxy has decided it doesn't like it

                This is what I actually wanted to link to/embed

                https://i.ibb.co/8gHKNsT1/michael-scott-why.gif

                Well actually I originally tried with a direct tenor link

                https://tenor.com/bdBiU.gif

                But it didn't like that either

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                sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                #10

                Tenor in particular is shitty like that too. If I directly link to a tenor gif on discord, people have to click the link and open a webpage to view the gif. To embed it in discord I have to save it and upload it.

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                • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                  It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

                  But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

                  Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

                  So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

                  This is what that gif looks like proxied:

                  https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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                  michael@piefed.chrisco.me
                  wrote last edited by
                  #11

                  Interesting, I can comment on piefed (just did a test) to the comment above. But I get a new tab when I try to see the proxy link.

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                  • sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    I fuckin hate webp format. Pointless format given the use case coverage between jpg and png.

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                    owoarchist@pawb.social
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                    #12

                    Yep. And most damning, a lot of my image viewing or editing apps don't like the webp format.

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                    • widdershins@lemmy.worldW widdershins@lemmy.world

                      Is it the "?format= " at the end of a url that usually turns a quick download of a .jpg or .gif into a .webp or .webm download?

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                      thorry@feddit.org
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                      #13

                      I especially hate it when the source is already the same as whatever the target is, but it still breaks the image. Removing the format parameter suddenly makes the image work again, it's so dumb.

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                      • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                        It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

                        But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

                        Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

                        So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

                        This is what that gif looks like proxied:

                        https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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                        aeronmelon@lemmy.world
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                        #14

                        The proxy link returns a funny error; “too wide.”

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                        • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                          It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

                          But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

                          Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

                          So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

                          This is what that gif looks like proxied:

                          https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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                          stellarextract@lemmy.zip
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                          A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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                          • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                            Yeah, because the proxy has decided it doesn't like it

                            This is what I actually wanted to link to/embed

                            https://i.ibb.co/8gHKNsT1/michael-scott-why.gif

                            Well actually I originally tried with a direct tenor link

                            https://tenor.com/bdBiU.gif

                            But it didn't like that either

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                            in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social
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                            #16
                              "code": "validate-width",
                              "msg": "Too wide"
                            }```
                            
                            stripped the headers, your image didn't make it through the infosec.pub proxy. 
                            
                            

                            X-Firefox-Spdy: h2
                            access-control-expose-headers: vary, date, content-length, content-encoding, content-type
                            cache-control: public, max-age=60
                            content-encoding: br
                            content-type: application/json
                            date: Fri, 27 Feb 2026 02:10:57 GMT
                            server: nginx
                            vary: accept-encoding, Origin, Access-Control-Request-Method, Access-Control-Request-Headers

                            Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,/;q=0.8
                            Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br, zstd
                            Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5
                            Connection: keep-alive
                            DNT: 1
                            Host: infosec.pub
                            Priority: u=0, i
                            Referer: https://piefed.social/
                            Sec-Fetch-Dest: document
                            Sec-Fetch-Mode: navigate
                            Sec-Fetch-Site: cross-site
                            Sec-Fetch-User: ?1
                            Sec-GPC: 1
                            TE: trailers
                            Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
                            User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:140.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/140.0

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                            • S stellarextract@lemmy.zip

                              A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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                              in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social
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                              #17

                              Exactly this.

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                              • A aeronmelon@lemmy.world

                                The proxy link returns a funny error; “too wide.”

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                                usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca
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                                It's a gif of OP's mom

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                                  lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
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                                  #19

                                  I like it because it protects my privacy.

                                  pict-rs (the proxy software) is using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                                  Pict-rs has options to specify maximum width etc which need adjusting else it blocks too much

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                                  • lazynooblet@lazysoci.alL lazynooblet@lazysoci.al

                                    I like it because it protects my privacy.

                                    pict-rs (the proxy software) is using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                                    Pict-rs has options to specify maximum width etc which need adjusting else it blocks too much

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                                    cm0002@infosec.pub
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #20

                                    Yea I know there are certainly tangible benefits like privacy, censorship bypass, caching etc

                                    But the crux of the issue

                                    using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                                    Does it really need to do all that? IMO it's a proxy and it should just proxy things, not mess with things. Some basic checks at the most to just verify the image is an image and reject non-images, but that's it. If there's a need to also manipulate images then it should be handled separately

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                                    • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                                      Yea I know there are certainly tangible benefits like privacy, censorship bypass, caching etc

                                      But the crux of the issue

                                      using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                                      Does it really need to do all that? IMO it's a proxy and it should just proxy things, not mess with things. Some basic checks at the most to just verify the image is an image and reject non-images, but that's it. If there's a need to also manipulate images then it should be handled separately

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                                      lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
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                                      #21

                                      The idea is that by saving the image and thumbnail it saves on processing and bandwidth is the server hosting the proxy.

                                      Pict-rs is the same image store used by Lemmy for it's own embedded images.

                                      I agree with you that there are improvements to be made. I've spent too long troubleshooting images on lazysoci.al.

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                                      • S stellarextract@lemmy.zip

                                        A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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                                        sortekanin@feddit.dk
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                                        I've heard this security concern before, but I'm a bit confused about the real attack vector here. I mean let's say you do this - you post an image to some random Lemmy instance and behind the scenes, you gather all the IPs which fetch the image. What malicious thing could you do with that? Genuinely curious.

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                                        • sortekanin@feddit.dkS sortekanin@feddit.dk

                                          I've heard this security concern before, but I'm a bit confused about the real attack vector here. I mean let's say you do this - you post an image to some random Lemmy instance and behind the scenes, you gather all the IPs which fetch the image. What malicious thing could you do with that? Genuinely curious.

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                                          mrnobody@quokk.au
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                                          #23

                                          Hack their Gibson of course.

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