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  • C cm0002@infosec.pub

    It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

    But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

    Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

    So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

    This is what that gif looks like proxied:

    https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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    michael@piefed.chrisco.me
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    #11

    Interesting, I can comment on piefed (just did a test) to the comment above. But I get a new tab when I try to see the proxy link.

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    • sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS sarahvalentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone

      I fuckin hate webp format. Pointless format given the use case coverage between jpg and png.

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      owoarchist@pawb.social
      wrote last edited by
      #12

      Yep. And most damning, a lot of my image viewing or editing apps don't like the webp format.

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      • widdershins@lemmy.worldW widdershins@lemmy.world

        Is it the "?format= " at the end of a url that usually turns a quick download of a .jpg or .gif into a .webp or .webm download?

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        thorry@feddit.org
        wrote last edited by
        #13

        I especially hate it when the source is already the same as whatever the target is, but it still breaks the image. Removing the format parameter suddenly makes the image work again, it's so dumb.

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        • C cm0002@infosec.pub

          It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

          But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

          Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

          So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

          This is what that gif looks like proxied:

          https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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          aeronmelon@lemmy.world
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          #14

          The proxy link returns a funny error; “too wide.”

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          • C cm0002@infosec.pub

            It's a feature of Lemmy where your instance will proxy image links for you, it can be useful in some cases to do things like bypass regional censorships (If you can access your home instance from your country, but not instance lemmy.example.com your home instance can proxy the image from lemmy.example.com so you can still see it (text is handled by federation already, so no proxy required for just text)) or to cache images in case an instance goes down

            But it seems to be poorly implemented where it's end user experience is a pain at best, and the more aggressive it's set the more annoying it is.

            Take for example this instance I'm currently on, infosec.pub, they seem to have it set to aggressively replace all image links including in comments no matter what.

            So now my attempt to reply to this comment https://infosec.pub/comment/20590443 is utterly broken because the image service just doesn't like it despite me just wanting to link to the off-site gif link manually typing the markdown instead.

            This is what that gif looks like proxied:

            https://infosec.pub/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2F8gHKNsT1%2Fmichael-scott-why.gif

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            stellarextract@lemmy.zip
            wrote last edited by
            #15

            A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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            • C cm0002@infosec.pub

              Yeah, because the proxy has decided it doesn't like it

              This is what I actually wanted to link to/embed

              https://i.ibb.co/8gHKNsT1/michael-scott-why.gif

              Well actually I originally tried with a direct tenor link

              https://tenor.com/bdBiU.gif

              But it didn't like that either

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              in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social
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              #16
                "code": "validate-width",
                "msg": "Too wide"
              }```
              
              stripped the headers, your image didn't make it through the infosec.pub proxy. 
              
              

              X-Firefox-Spdy: h2
              access-control-expose-headers: vary, date, content-length, content-encoding, content-type
              cache-control: public, max-age=60
              content-encoding: br
              content-type: application/json
              date: Fri, 27 Feb 2026 02:10:57 GMT
              server: nginx
              vary: accept-encoding, Origin, Access-Control-Request-Method, Access-Control-Request-Headers

              Accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,/;q=0.8
              Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate, br, zstd
              Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5
              Connection: keep-alive
              DNT: 1
              Host: infosec.pub
              Priority: u=0, i
              Referer: https://piefed.social/
              Sec-Fetch-Dest: document
              Sec-Fetch-Mode: navigate
              Sec-Fetch-Site: cross-site
              Sec-Fetch-User: ?1
              Sec-GPC: 1
              TE: trailers
              Upgrade-Insecure-Requests: 1
              User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:140.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/140.0

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              • S stellarextract@lemmy.zip

                A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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                in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social
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                #17

                Exactly this.

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                • A aeronmelon@lemmy.world

                  The proxy link returns a funny error; “too wide.”

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                  usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca
                  wrote last edited by
                  #18

                  It's a gif of OP's mom

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                  • C cm0002@infosec.pub
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                    lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
                    wrote last edited by
                    #19

                    I like it because it protects my privacy.

                    pict-rs (the proxy software) is using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                    Pict-rs has options to specify maximum width etc which need adjusting else it blocks too much

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                    • lazynooblet@lazysoci.alL lazynooblet@lazysoci.al

                      I like it because it protects my privacy.

                      pict-rs (the proxy software) is using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                      Pict-rs has options to specify maximum width etc which need adjusting else it blocks too much

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                      cm0002@infosec.pub
                      wrote last edited by
                      #20

                      Yea I know there are certainly tangible benefits like privacy, censorship bypass, caching etc

                      But the crux of the issue

                      using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                      Does it really need to do all that? IMO it's a proxy and it should just proxy things, not mess with things. Some basic checks at the most to just verify the image is an image and reject non-images, but that's it. If there's a need to also manipulate images then it should be handled separately

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                      • C cm0002@infosec.pub

                        Yea I know there are certainly tangible benefits like privacy, censorship bypass, caching etc

                        But the crux of the issue

                        using ffmpeg in the background to recompile the image which will crash and burn it the image has even the slightest issue/corruption.

                        Does it really need to do all that? IMO it's a proxy and it should just proxy things, not mess with things. Some basic checks at the most to just verify the image is an image and reject non-images, but that's it. If there's a need to also manipulate images then it should be handled separately

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                        lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
                        wrote last edited by
                        #21

                        The idea is that by saving the image and thumbnail it saves on processing and bandwidth is the server hosting the proxy.

                        Pict-rs is the same image store used by Lemmy for it's own embedded images.

                        I agree with you that there are improvements to be made. I've spent too long troubleshooting images on lazysoci.al.

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                        • S stellarextract@lemmy.zip

                          A good thing about proxying is that it prevents auto-loading of resources from potentially malicious domains. For instance, I could make an image comment containing an image link to a server I control. When you reply to my comment, since you clearly have seen my comment, I can now look at my server logs and see the IP addresses of everyone who viewed my image. I now know that your IP address is in that list.

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                          sortekanin@feddit.dk
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                          #22

                          I've heard this security concern before, but I'm a bit confused about the real attack vector here. I mean let's say you do this - you post an image to some random Lemmy instance and behind the scenes, you gather all the IPs which fetch the image. What malicious thing could you do with that? Genuinely curious.

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                          • sortekanin@feddit.dkS sortekanin@feddit.dk

                            I've heard this security concern before, but I'm a bit confused about the real attack vector here. I mean let's say you do this - you post an image to some random Lemmy instance and behind the scenes, you gather all the IPs which fetch the image. What malicious thing could you do with that? Genuinely curious.

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                            mrnobody@quokk.au
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                            #23

                            Hack their Gibson of course.

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                              hirom@beehaw.org
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                              #24

                              Does any client supports proxying images or links? If that's a client settings, users would control whether to use proxy or not, maybe even which proxy to use.

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