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The downsides of running a fediverse platform

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    homesweethomemrl@lemmy.world
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    cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/iasip@sh.itjust.works/p/426876/the-downsides-of-running-a-fediverse-platform

    S17E3 "Mac and Dennis Become EMTs"

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      cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/iasip@sh.itjust.works/p/426876/the-downsides-of-running-a-fediverse-platform

      S17E3 "Mac and Dennis Become EMTs"

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      atro_city@fedia.io
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      The tankies?

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        The tankies?

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        Those who literally deny the existence of the massacre in the Tiananmen Square, claiming that "nobody was killed" (or far more rarely, unapologetically stating that if they were, then they deserved it). Basically far-left extremists that exist in a world of "alternative facts" just like conservatives, the common denominator being that and simping for authoritarian regimes.

        Words like "consent" tend not to matter to those holding that ideology.

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          Those who literally deny the existence of the massacre in the Tiananmen Square, claiming that "nobody was killed" (or far more rarely, unapologetically stating that if they were, then they deserved it). Basically far-left extremists that exist in a world of "alternative facts" just like conservatives, the common denominator being that and simping for authoritarian regimes.

          Words like "consent" tend not to matter to those holding that ideology.

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          krono@lemmy.today
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          "Tankie" does not come from Tiananmen Square, that is a common misconception. The term "tankie" is 33 years older than the Tiananmen Square massacre.

          It originated to describe people who supported the 1956 Soviet Union military intervention in Hungary. Stalin sent in a bunch of T-35 tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution. He was successful, and thousands of people died in the process.

          Ever since then, "tankie" has been used as a derogatory term against Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and leftists in general.

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            Those who literally deny the existence of the massacre in the Tiananmen Square, claiming that "nobody was killed" (or far more rarely, unapologetically stating that if they were, then they deserved it). Basically far-left extremists that exist in a world of "alternative facts" just like conservatives, the common denominator being that and simping for authoritarian regimes.

            Words like "consent" tend not to matter to those holding that ideology.

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            mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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            Basically far-left

            we need a better topological geometry for these concepts, especially for these wacky edgecase fuckers like tankies. yeah, far left, like, you stand here, I'm going to move to your left until I've come around on the other side of the planet far far far far away left.

            imho the vast majority of them are ccp click patriots waiting for the taiwan invasion to kick off.

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              Basically far-left

              we need a better topological geometry for these concepts, especially for these wacky edgecase fuckers like tankies. yeah, far left, like, you stand here, I'm going to move to your left until I've come around on the other side of the planet far far far far away left.

              imho the vast majority of them are ccp click patriots waiting for the taiwan invasion to kick off.

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              openstars@piefed.social
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              Hehe, somebody was way ahead of you there...

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                "Tankie" does not come from Tiananmen Square, that is a common misconception. The term "tankie" is 33 years older than the Tiananmen Square massacre.

                It originated to describe people who supported the 1956 Soviet Union military intervention in Hungary. Stalin sent in a bunch of T-35 tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution. He was successful, and thousands of people died in the process.

                Ever since then, "tankie" has been used as a derogatory term against Stalinists, Marxist-Leninists, communists, and leftists in general.

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                someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I'm personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.

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                  To be fair, tanks seem to be a favored tool of these oppressive regimes. I'm personally not against communism, they have some good ideas like universal child care, guaranteed jobs, and housing (even though the latter may be considered sub-par by some). The problem comes when these fucking authoritarian cheerleaders come out and say communist governments were never oppressive.

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                  valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Except you'd not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn't pay people off.

                  In theory it might seem fine, but in reality it was just a dictatorship, and quite a brutal one too.

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                    Except you'd not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn't pay people off.

                    In theory it might seem fine, but in reality it was just a dictatorship, and quite a brutal one too.

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                    mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                    Except you’d not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn’t pay people off.

                    eh docs and nurses are pretty fucking cool but don't work for free. of course you're going to pay people off, they need wages ffs

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                      Except you’d not get that healthcare and the rest if you didn’t pay people off.

                      eh docs and nurses are pretty fucking cool but don't work for free. of course you're going to pay people off, they need wages ffs

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                      subdivide6857@midwest.social
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                      Communism = no currency. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of knowledge regarding communism in here. A bit of an echo chamber. It's funny how so many can hate something so much without actually knowing what it is they're hating. Ha.

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                      • openstars@piefed.socialO openstars@piefed.social

                        Hehe, somebody was way ahead of you there...

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                        unfreeradical@slrpnk.net
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                        The framing of separating the "authoritarian left" from the actual left is basically accurate.

                        Why is "Far Left" marked as a trademark?

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                        • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netU unfreeradical@slrpnk.net

                          The framing of separating the "authoritarian left" from the actual left is basically accurate.

                          Why is "Far Left" marked as a trademark?

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                          mirshafie@europe.pub
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                          Because of intellectual propriety.

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                            Because of intellectual propriety.

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                            Did you intend "intellectual property"?

                            Regardless, I understand the meaning of the symbol, but not its applicability to the context.

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                              Did you intend "intellectual property"?

                              Regardless, I understand the meaning of the symbol, but not its applicability to the context.

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                              diva@lemmy.ml
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                              Having the trademark on far left never made sense to me either, really undermines the whole thing. the plot is also missing axis.

                              I took a stab at fixing it, will add coordinates once i can find my graphing calculator

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                                Having the trademark on far left never made sense to me either, really undermines the whole thing. the plot is also missing axis.

                                I took a stab at fixing it, will add coordinates once i can find my graphing calculator

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                                To be honest, I am not perceiving the modifications as an improvement.

                                The original cleverly shows, quite simply, that the authoritarian left develops from reaction, that is, regresion toward the right, within leftism.

                                It also exposes as misconception that leftism generally is authoritarian.

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                                  Communism = no currency. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of knowledge regarding communism in here. A bit of an echo chamber. It's funny how so many can hate something so much without actually knowing what it is they're hating. Ha.

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                                  mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                                  ...I'd prefer a single payer system where no one went without. Broke my nose while living in the UK and was impressed with their no bullshit system.

                                  you can have democratic socialism of many flavors without going full on communism, and you'll never get to communism from here, abjectly shittified capitalism. I'd prefer denmark over...well, where has communism worked?

                                  Like, I respect the medical professionals Cuba produces but would never want to live there.

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                                  • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netU unfreeradical@slrpnk.net

                                    To be honest, I am not perceiving the modifications as an improvement.

                                    The original cleverly shows, quite simply, that the authoritarian left develops from reaction, that is, regresion toward the right, within leftism.

                                    It also exposes as misconception that leftism generally is authoritarian.

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                                    diva@lemmy.ml
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                                    cleverly shows

                                    debatable, it's just horseshoe theory, but with a trademarked pick-me spur of leftists

                                    I did update my plot though, it needed more text

                                    It also exposes as misconception that leftism generally is authoritarian.

                                    I really don't see how it does that, the original doesn't even have authoritarianism indicated, it's vibes based

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                                      cleverly shows

                                      debatable, it's just horseshoe theory, but with a trademarked pick-me spur of leftists

                                      I did update my plot though, it needed more text

                                      It also exposes as misconception that leftism generally is authoritarian.

                                      I really don't see how it does that, the original doesn't even have authoritarianism indicated, it's vibes based

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                                      Tankies and rightists are both authoritarian, whereas leftism is anti-authoritarian.

                                      Horseshoe theory inaccurately conflates authoritarian leftism with generally all leftism.

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                                      • unfreeradical@slrpnk.netU unfreeradical@slrpnk.net

                                        Tankies and rightists are both authoritarian, whereas leftism is anti-authoritarian.

                                        Horseshoe theory inaccurately conflates authoritarian leftism with generally all leftism.

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                                        "Authoritarian" as is commonly used often conflates people trying to abolish class domination with those working to uphold it. It flattens very different forms of power by treating coercion that arises in a revolutionary context, where entrenched elites are unlikely to give up their position voluntarily, as equivalent to the everyday normalized coercion that sustains capitalist rule.

                                        Liberal democracies enforce property relations through police, courts, and prisons, yet this use of authority is typically treated as neutral or simply how society works. Challenges to that order are then singled out as specifically authoritarian.

                                        Framing politics around "authoritarian versus anti-authoritarian" also allows capitalist domination in general to pass as freedom while collapsing the entire radical left into a caricature, for example by dismissing it all as "tankie."

                                        As an anarchist, I want to see class society abolished altogether, not endlessly managed or reformed. Every social order exercises authority, the real question is whose interests are being served by that authority.

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                                        • diva@lemmy.mlD diva@lemmy.ml

                                          "Authoritarian" as is commonly used often conflates people trying to abolish class domination with those working to uphold it. It flattens very different forms of power by treating coercion that arises in a revolutionary context, where entrenched elites are unlikely to give up their position voluntarily, as equivalent to the everyday normalized coercion that sustains capitalist rule.

                                          Liberal democracies enforce property relations through police, courts, and prisons, yet this use of authority is typically treated as neutral or simply how society works. Challenges to that order are then singled out as specifically authoritarian.

                                          Framing politics around "authoritarian versus anti-authoritarian" also allows capitalist domination in general to pass as freedom while collapsing the entire radical left into a caricature, for example by dismissing it all as "tankie."

                                          As an anarchist, I want to see class society abolished altogether, not endlessly managed or reformed. Every social order exercises authority, the real question is whose interests are being served by that authority.

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                                          We break capitalist domination by expanding consciousness that both liberal capitalism and state capitalism are authoritarian systems that rob the working class.

                                          Every state generates a class antagonism. Every state protects its oppression by a narrative about the ruling class serving the interests of the working class.

                                          A distinction may be found between those whose power is justified by an intention to abolish class versus those relying on other justifications of power, but all are incapable of delivering liberation. A people may be liberated only by rejecting the narrative. The distinction ultimately is superficial. Once authoritarian communists consolidate power, they dismantle every current in society that is authentically liberatory, because they cannot endure the challenge.

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