Something missing from 'followers' and 'following' collections.
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Tangential to the main discussion, I'd like to point out that folks here get *very* nervous when this kind of data gets collected and you need to show that you've very carefully thought through how to keep from enabling harassment.
Storing info about when a DB record is created is common
Probably all Fediverse software record this — because almost all software stores this information
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Storing info about when a DB record is created is common
Probably all Fediverse software record this — because almost all software stores this information
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AFAICT (when I have run surveys about this type of thing), there is a very, very small fraction of the Fediverse (something like 0.001%) that feel the way your suggested.
While it doesn't make the concern invalid— Mastodon and other public-first social-media software are probably the wrong tool for them.
Something more like a private Signal group would probably better fit what the use-case they are hoping for.
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AFAICT (when I have run surveys about this type of thing), there is a very, very small fraction of the Fediverse (something like 0.001%) that feel the way your suggested.
While it doesn't make the concern invalid— Mastodon and other public-first social-media software are probably the wrong tool for them.
Something more like a private Signal group would probably better fit what the use-case they are hoping for.
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Could you talk more about how you feel follow date-times would lead to harassment, so I can better understand the concern?
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Could you talk more about how you feel follow date-times would lead to harassment, so I can better understand the concern?
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I'm not an expert in this beyond a general understanding of how collected data can be used in unintended ways, so I don't have any real concrete threat models I could provide. There are probably others here who could.
However, people on here tend to get *very* twitchy when somebody starts collecting data about them. This is often for good reason--there are people whose literal real-world safety depends on certain things being hard to find.
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I'm not an expert in this beyond a general understanding of how collected data can be used in unintended ways, so I don't have any real concrete threat models I could provide. There are probably others here who could.
However, people on here tend to get *very* twitchy when somebody starts collecting data about them. This is often for good reason--there are people whose literal real-world safety depends on certain things being hard to find.
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Given that, the onus is on you as the developer to demonstrate that you are not endangering people by collecting this data. You need to take this very seriously and both ensure and demonstrate that you've done the work.
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Given that, the onus is on you as the developer to demonstrate that you are not endangering people by collecting this data. You need to take this very seriously and both ensure and demonstrate that you've done the work.
Regarding:
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However, people on here tend to get *very* twitchy when somebody starts collecting data about them.
"""Let's be clear that these "people" are a very, very small fraction of Fediverse users. Based on previous surveys I've run for similar types of things, probably something like 0.001%.
Which again doesn't make the concern invalid.
But, I think it is important to point out that this doesn't seem to be a concern of the vast majority of people on the Fediverse.
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Regarding:
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However, people on here tend to get *very* twitchy when somebody starts collecting data about them.
"""Let's be clear that these "people" are a very, very small fraction of Fediverse users. Based on previous surveys I've run for similar types of things, probably something like 0.001%.
Which again doesn't make the concern invalid.
But, I think it is important to point out that this doesn't seem to be a concern of the vast majority of people on the Fediverse.
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Having said that — I would like to understand the concern more, as perhaps there is some way I could help them (without negatively impacting everyone else).
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Having said that — I would like to understand the concern more, as perhaps there is some way I could help them (without negatively impacting everyone else).
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One thing to perhaps be aware of is — if a person uses (any) Fediverse software (as a regular user), then information will be recorded/collected about them.
This is not just how Fediverse software works, but how almost all software with user accounts works.
If this 0.001% wants to avoid data being collected on them, then they should avoid most software in existence.
Don't use e-mail. Don't use chat apps. Don't use Windows or MacOS. Don't use Android or iOS phones. Etc.
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One thing to perhaps be aware of is — if a person uses (any) Fediverse software (as a regular user), then information will be recorded/collected about them.
This is not just how Fediverse software works, but how almost all software with user accounts works.
If this 0.001% wants to avoid data being collected on them, then they should avoid most software in existence.
Don't use e-mail. Don't use chat apps. Don't use Windows or MacOS. Don't use Android or iOS phones. Etc.
When I tried to understand this 0.001% before — to me it seemed like Mastodon was the wrong tool for them.
To me it seemed like they should instead be using something more like a private Signal DM group.
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One thing to perhaps be aware of is — if a person uses (any) Fediverse software (as a regular user), then information will be recorded/collected about them.
This is not just how Fediverse software works, but how almost all software with user accounts works.
If this 0.001% wants to avoid data being collected on them, then they should avoid most software in existence.
Don't use e-mail. Don't use chat apps. Don't use Windows or MacOS. Don't use Android or iOS phones. Etc.
I've said my piece. I have no interest in debate.
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I've said my piece. I have no interest in debate.
Then I don't understand why you replied to my thread.
There are parts of what you wrote that don't make any sense.
(Which is why I was trying to get you to think-through the implications of what you wrote.)
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Regarding:
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However, people on here tend to get *very* twitchy when somebody starts collecting data about them.
"""Let's be clear that these "people" are a very, very small fraction of Fediverse users. Based on previous surveys I've run for similar types of things, probably something like 0.001%.
Which again doesn't make the concern invalid.
But, I think it is important to point out that this doesn't seem to be a concern of the vast majority of people on the Fediverse.
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Based on previous surveys I've run for similar types of things, probably something like 0.001%.
a 0.001℅ response rate means 1 person out of 100 000. citing made up statistics to support an argument is a quick way to loose credibility
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Based on previous surveys I've run for similar types of things, probably something like 0.001%.
a 0.001℅ response rate means 1 person out of 100 000. citing made up statistics to support an argument is a quick way to loose credibility
Given you didn't even ask me for information about my estimate, and simply said what you said — it feels like you aren't having a discussion in good faith.
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