@laurenshof Lolololol Evan gonna Evan

@laurenshof Love to see people discussing how to solve problems with decentralisation that are caused solely by decentralisation

@laurenshof amazing

@laurenshof “it’s ok if you don’t get it”

@seachanger @laurenshof good (?) to see that he's being an asshole the same way to AP people and not only AT people…

@seachanger saying that to CHRISTINE!?!

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I have zero context for anything else but the saying's "Trust *but* verify"

@laurenshof @seachanger It's like the purest, most expertly freebased example of mansplaining that's ever existed

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That he's the person in all of this that got the deal to write the book on ap is just so emblematic of the world we live in

@jenniferplusplus @laurenshof

@seachanger @jenniferplusplus everything is gender, protocol edition

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It's not amazing but absolutely frightening when a key figure involved in the evolution of #ActivityPub demonstrates such a level of incompetence.

Yeah so true. Hmm weren't there five co-authors of the AP spec?

@jenniferplusplus @laurenshof @seachanger

Specifically for Mastodon's failures ... I can think of another candidate (everything is gender, implementation edition). But for AP and "the Fediverse" as a whole, I completely agree. And yet for some inexplicable reason people still listen to him!

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@seachanger @laurenshof ick!

@jdp23 @seachanger @laurenshof I assume you mean Eugen, and I want to give him all due credit for trying to do better. I wish he'd started earlier, and I wish it was going faster, but he's been doing the right kinds of things for some time

My main point is that Eugen's had light-years more impact on Mastodon than Evan. Even with respect to AP's less-than-completely-positive (cough) impact on Mastodon, Eugen could have supported LitePub et al back in 2019ish -- or some other protocol change. And Eugen could have prioritized support for AP C2S. AP was in fact an improvement on OStatus when Mastodon adopted it in 2017, but it was Eugen's choice to do an EEE strategy and let it turn into a millstone.

I agree that Eugen 2026 has grown a lot in some ways from Eugen 2017 and even Eugen 2022 ... it's really hard for a founder to step away and pass the torch and he deserves a huge amount of credit for that. On the other hand local-only posts still aren't in Mastodon, admins still can't easily change the maximum post length, the documentation still talks about how allow-list federation is contrary to Mastodon's mission, I don't think he's ever changed his position on Meta's adoption of AP being "a huge victory for our cause" ... so I disagree on "he's been doing the right kinds of things".

@jenniferplusplus @seachanger @laurenshof

@laurenshof@indieweb.social @seachanger@alaskan.social I genuinely don't know either of the people (or that third person, either) in that conversation, even by name. And yet I came away with a very clear sense of who to trust on technical issues.

And it was not "I talk about this in my book" guy.

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Ok, well, I'd rather reinforce good behavior