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  • mika@sopuli.xyzM mika@sopuli.xyz

    I don't like fediverse architecture, I'd rather have moderation to be subscription-based (like you sub to a hide/banlist), to separate the concerns. Ofc platform admins should still have rights to ban those who try to destroy the communication itself, like posting 10k messages a thread etc.

    I don't care much about it in lemmy cause idgaf about my account here, I could create a new one and no value is lost. However, if account itself and people subscribing to you is valuable, this tech sucks.

    mentaledge@sopuli.xyzM This user is from outside of this forum
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    mentaledge@sopuli.xyz
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    #14

    I completely disagree.

    The same person who creates a niche instance/community, is often ideal for moderating it. The fostering of a community around a given subject (not people) is what motivates volunteer maintenance of said community.

    What's the incentive for your subscription banlist maintainers? How would communities form in such a system?

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    • mentaledge@sopuli.xyzM mentaledge@sopuli.xyz

      I completely disagree.

      The same person who creates a niche instance/community, is often ideal for moderating it. The fostering of a community around a given subject (not people) is what motivates volunteer maintenance of said community.

      What's the incentive for your subscription banlist maintainers? How would communities form in such a system?

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      wrote last edited by
      #15

      You say community as if it's not just an access point to the federation.

      incentices

      Show the amount of subs on the moderation stream - topN can be proud of themselves. Can ask for donations too I guess.

      how would communities form

      I imagine some space for moderation of specific subjects would emerge, like you don't want to see nazies = you run nazi-block list & check out others lists. Moderation could be thematic and specific.

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      • blaze@lemmy.zipB blaze@lemmy.zip

        You can still federate after the instance setup, like piefed.zip does

        • https://piefed.zip/c/news@hexbear.net
        • https://piefed.zip/instances?page=9&filter=federated&search=
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        flamingos@feddit.uk
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        #16

        Huh, weird they don't geoblock the UK like they do on their Lemmy instance.

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        • mika@sopuli.xyzM mika@sopuli.xyz

          You say community as if it's not just an access point to the federation.

          incentices

          Show the amount of subs on the moderation stream - topN can be proud of themselves. Can ask for donations too I guess.

          how would communities form

          I imagine some space for moderation of specific subjects would emerge, like you don't want to see nazies = you run nazi-block list & check out others lists. Moderation could be thematic and specific.

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          wrote last edited by mentaledge@sopuli.xyz
          #17

          You seem to be confusing my use of the word community with lemmy terminology. I am using it both as that, and as its dictionary definition.

          Bragging rights and money are not healthy motivators. You'd be replacing personal interest, in the subject at hand. That puts every other potential motivator to shame.

          Moderation could be thematic and specific.

          It isn't already?

          You're suggesting communities will form in the negative space created by people removing the same things. I don't think that'd work.

          And it's definitely not how you foster niche communities. That's how you drown them. Currently they survive in positive space, where even a small numbers of users, browsing using their subbed feed, leads to regular activity even with a tiny usercount. Even as the posts are essentially invisible in all.

          I am asking how would such communities in your system survive, let alone form? Tags completely disconnected from a host instance?

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          • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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            openstars@piefed.social
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            #18

            What is this called - some kind of reverse defederation?

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            • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

              Huh, weird they don't geoblock the UK like they do on their Lemmy instance.

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              #19

              I remember something about this, like Piefed being able to prevent users from logging from some countries without having to block the site as a whole

              @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip ?

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              • openstars@piefed.socialO openstars@piefed.social

                What is this called - some kind of reverse defederation?

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                #20

                Some anti-birgading measure I guess.

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                • blaze@lemmy.zipB blaze@lemmy.zip

                  I remember something about this, like Piefed being able to prevent users from logging from some countries without having to block the site as a whole

                  @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip ?

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                  #21

                  Yes there is potentially the option to block country codes in Piefed. We haven't fully utilised that yet but its on the todo list 🙂

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                  • crazi_man@europe.pubC crazi_man@europe.pub

                    Some anti-birgading measure I guess.

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                    openstars@piefed.social
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                    #22

                    I wonder why they would bother?

                    Unless OP is merely referring to the feature that hides certain specified remote communities from their users, a measure that is similar to defederation but does not block the entire instance, only one community at a time. I've seen instances do that for e.g. Chapotraphouse, seemingly in order to salvage the rest of the communities on that instance by merely blocking the most controversial one(s).

                    But to actually show the content while not allowing users to interact with it... seems so strange.

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                    • blaze@lemmy.zipB blaze@lemmy.zip

                      You can still federate after the instance setup, like piefed.zip does

                      • https://piefed.zip/c/news@hexbear.net
                      • https://piefed.zip/instances?page=9&filter=federated&search=
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                      #23

                      Yeah I saw the dozen other times you spammed this.

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                      • nakoichi@hexbear.netN nakoichi@hexbear.net

                        Yeah I saw the dozen other times you spammed this.

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                        #24

                        I posted it 3 times, not sure why you are saying "dozen"

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                        • demigodrick@lemmy.zipD demigodrick@lemmy.zip

                          Yes there is potentially the option to block country codes in Piefed. We haven't fully utilised that yet but its on the todo list 🙂

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                          #25

                          Thanks for confirming!

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                          • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                            tweak@feddit.uk
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                            #26

                            Local admin can literally do whatever the fuck they want. It's up to them what code the instance runs, and it doesn't have to be pure or official lemmy.

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                            • blaze@lemmy.zipB blaze@lemmy.zip

                              You can still federate after the instance setup, like piefed.zip does

                              • https://piefed.zip/c/news@hexbear.net
                              • https://piefed.zip/instances?page=9&filter=federated&search=
                              tankietanuki@hexbear.netT This user is from outside of this forum
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                              tankietanuki@hexbear.net
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                              #27

                              That's a relief. I'm guessing the admins have to remove the instance from the block list first?

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                              • flamingos@feddit.ukF flamingos@feddit.uk

                                Doesn't Hexber use an allowlist for federation? Why keep these Piefed instances in your allowlist if you know this is the case?

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                                #28

                                What hexbear does is good, and what someone who disagrees with them is evil and bad. That's why they call it out.

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                                • tankietanuki@hexbear.netT tankietanuki@hexbear.net

                                  That's a relief. I'm guessing the admins have to remove the instance from the block list first?

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                                  #29

                                  Yes, probably. What I guess is that the code above just sets up the block list at setup, but then of course the admins can revise it as they see fit.

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                                  • blaze@lemmy.zipB blaze@lemmy.zip

                                    I posted it 3 times, not sure why you are saying "dozen"

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                                    db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #30

                                    Because bad faith is the default for this person

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                                    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comD db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Because bad faith is the default for this person

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                                      #31

                                      Seems like it, they even made another post about this on !fediverse@lemmy.ml

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                                      • mika@sopuli.xyzM mika@sopuli.xyz

                                        I don't like fediverse architecture, I'd rather have moderation to be subscription-based (like you sub to a hide/banlist), to separate the concerns. Ofc platform admins should still have rights to ban those who try to destroy the communication itself, like posting 10k messages a thread etc.

                                        I don't care much about it in lemmy cause idgaf about my account here, I could create a new one and no value is lost. However, if account itself and people subscribing to you is valuable, this tech sucks.

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                                        #32

                                        That's what bluesky does for their decentralized network.

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