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Reasons for optimism at the turn of the year: reflections on the fediverses, the ATmosphere, and whatever comes next

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  • matt_noyes@social.coopM matt_noyes@social.coop

    @CaitlinWaddick @ansate @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fedigroups, I guess. Seems like you can create a group there, accept members, who follow it, then posts to that address notify followers. Maybe I will set one up for fun and see how it works.

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    @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fwiw, my understanding is that fedi groups basically boost things that mention them, not an alert. You would get the same effect (non privately) from following a hashtag. Also since they work by boosting, i don’t think you can have private groups

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      @thenexusofprivacy Birds.

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        @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

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        • mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM mildlyunreasonable@me.dm

          @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

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          @mildlyunreasonable great phrasing!

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          • ansate@social.coopA ansate@social.coop

            @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @hollie @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Fwiw, my understanding is that fedi groups basically boost things that mention them, not an alert. You would get the same effect (non privately) from following a hashtag. Also since they work by boosting, i don’t think you can have private groups

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            @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

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            • hollie@social.coopH hollie@social.coop

              @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

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              @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @ktoddbrown @MarieVC I use them for a few other things (#BikeNite, mostly). They're always public, but the benefit over hashtags is that you get *every* post to the group, even if you're not normally federated with the server of the user who posts it. You can also use alerting rules (ie. always show a notification when this user posts or what not) which I don't think you can do with hash tags

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              • hollie@social.coopH hollie@social.coop

                @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

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                @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC
                I think that is, using circles.

                But don't we have already zulip for this? 🙂

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                • sam@social.coopS sam@social.coop

                  @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @ktoddbrown @MarieVC I use them for a few other things (#BikeNite, mostly). They're always public, but the benefit over hashtags is that you get *every* post to the group, even if you're not normally federated with the server of the user who posts it. You can also use alerting rules (ie. always show a notification when this user posts or what not) which I don't think you can do with hash tags

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                  @sam @hollie @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @ktoddbrown @MarieVC Thanks Sam! I forgot about federation making you miss hashtags. And i should look into alerting rules

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                  • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                    What are you looking for in social media? (2/N)

                    It's not just a rhetorical question, I really am curious!

                    You can respond with a reply to this post, via the pol.is conversation here, or -- if you're on fedi -- in the polls below. I'll write up the results later this month.

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                    @thenexusofprivacy where are ya publishing the findings?

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                    • R risottobias@toot.risottobias.org

                      @thenexusofprivacy where are ya publishing the findings?

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                      @risottobias on https://thenexusofprivacy.net , and I'll shere them here as well

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                      • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                        What are you looking for in social media? (8/N)

                        Another poll in the series ... you can check more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                        What are you looking for in social media? (9/N)

                        Thanks everybody for the responses so far, here's a couple of new polls including some excellent suggestions that came in. If you've got other ideas, share them in the comments here -- or in the pol.is conversation (which also lets you disagree with stuff you don't want)

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                        • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                          What are you looking for in social media? (9/N)

                          Thanks everybody for the responses so far, here's a couple of new polls including some excellent suggestions that came in. If you've got other ideas, share them in the comments here -- or in the pol.is conversation (which also lets you disagree with stuff you don't want)

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                          What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                          Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                          • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                            What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                            Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                            @thenexusofprivacy a place that takes constant and aggressive actions to avoid anti-blackness and misogyny, with a clear safety team to handle it when it happens.

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                            • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                              What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                              Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                              What are you looking for in social media? (11/N)

                              Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                              • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                                What are you looking for in social media? (11/N)

                                Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                                What are you looking for in social media? (12/12, for now)

                                Whew, that's a lot of polls. But I'm sure there are options I didn't include, feel free to make suggestions in the responses! And if you're looking for another way to respond, check out the pol.is conversation in the post here

                                The polls are still open for a few days ... after that, I'll write up the results -- along with (in at least some cases) suggestions about where to find what you're looking for -- and publish them on https://thenexusofprivacy.net

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                                • erickasimone@mastodon.socialE erickasimone@mastodon.social

                                  @thenexusofprivacy a place that takes constant and aggressive actions to avoid anti-blackness and misogyny, with a clear safety team to handle it when it happens.

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                                  Great suggestion. I had to split it into two responses because of the maximum length -- it's the first two in https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843753929752441

                                  @ErickaSimone

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                                  • hollie@social.coopH hollie@social.coop

                                    @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC My understanding is the same, I don't think there's a way to make it private. Can Bonfire do that?

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                                    Bonfire has groups on their roadmap but doesn't currently implement them (although Circles let you do some group-like things). A broadly-available approximation to private Facebook groups would be a huge plus for fedi. Here's a distillation of some requirements-gathering work I did early last year.

                                    Anyhow I included a couple of questions relevant to this in one of the new polls at https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843753929752441

                                    • Something to replace "buy nothing" Facebook groups

                                    • Discussions with people in my neighborhood (without Nextdoor's racism)

                                    • Discussions that aren't public for the whole world to see

                                    @hollie @ansate @Matt_Noyes @CaitlinWaddick @edumerco @dphiffer @django @sam @ktoddbrown @MarieVC

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                                    • mildlyunreasonable@me.dmM mildlyunreasonable@me.dm

                                      @thenexusofprivacy Accurate, weird information about things I didn't know I would care about.

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                                      @mildlyunreasonable I included this in one of the new polls at https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843662200325736 and so far it's getting 100% agreement!

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                                      • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                                        Great suggestion. I had to split it into two responses because of the maximum length -- it's the first two in https://infosec.exchange/@thenexusofprivacy/115843753929752441

                                        @ErickaSimone

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                                        @thenexusofprivacy appreciate that. Yeah safety is an issue for most sites that most people ignore. That is what I’m looking for, primarily. Less mansplaining comes in a close second. lol.

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                                        • thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchangeT thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange

                                          What are you looking for in social media? (10/N)

                                          Another poll in the series ... you can choose more than one response, and if you've got other suggestions please leave them in the replies.

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                                          @thenexusofprivacy

                                          No AI, no capitulation to Big Information, end to end encryption without backdoors, and warrant canaries published monthly. Our governments are the problem. Corporations are the problem. Capitalism is the problem. You are a customer, not a product.

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