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  • A atro_city@fedia.io

    Are IDEs the microsoft word of programming?

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    lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works
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    Yes and no.

    You can avoid all these problems by just coding in Word ofc, but then again all these problems will still happen

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    • L lukstru@lemmy.world

      vim evangelists incoming although they are on panel 3

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      openstars@piefed.social
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      "clicks"? Where we're going we don't need... "clicks"!

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        lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        Just use Vim!

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          Are you even a real programmer if you haven't fixed a prod critical but in notepad++ because your ide won't open for whatever reason?

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          gnutrino@programming.dev
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          I've done critical fixes (usually config) direct on a prod server with vim over ssh before now. Not the best way to do it but sometimes waiting for CI will just take too long...

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          • G gnutrino@programming.dev

            I've done critical fixes (usually config) direct on a prod server with vim over ssh before now. Not the best way to do it but sometimes waiting for CI will just take too long...

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            scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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            Old school "CI/CD" was an FTP server where you dropped DLLs into I remember

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            • L lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              Just use Vim!

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              yoshman@lemmy.world
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              I do all my edits using sed inserts, like a real dev.

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                _____@lemm.ee
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                Can someone tell me if I'm just stupid and doing something wrong ?

                Neovim with Python lsp works 90000% better than any Python extension on vscode for me. I don't hate vscode and I occasionally use it but it kind of sucks for python ? Does anyone have any kind of info that could help, what extensions are you using ?

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                  Can someone tell me if I'm just stupid and doing something wrong ?

                  Neovim with Python lsp works 90000% better than any Python extension on vscode for me. I don't hate vscode and I occasionally use it but it kind of sucks for python ? Does anyone have any kind of info that could help, what extensions are you using ?

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                  lime@feddit.nu
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                  vscode isn't an ide either. one of the big problems i've seen with its python lsp server is that it doesn't work if the project structure is "wrong", which means that usability is limited.

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                  • Y yoshman@lemmy.world

                    I do all my edits using sed inserts, like a real dev.

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                    prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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                    Just use ed like the gods intended

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                      letsgo@lemm.ee
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                      Oh I don't know. 1,3,5 and 6 resonate strongly with me for Visual Studio 2022. The only reason 4 doesn't is because instead of looking for a setting I DDG "how do I do X in VS2022"

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                      • P prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works

                        Just use ed like the gods intended

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                        nalivai@lemmy.world
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                        I use butterflies

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                          valaramech@fedia.io
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                          Pfff, all these amateurs here using Vim. Y'all should use Emacs. You still have all of these problems, but you get to act all superior about it. /s (except for the superiority complex; that's real)

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                          • L lukstru@lemmy.world

                            vim evangelists incoming although they are on panel 3

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                            bogasse@lemmy.ml
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                            Well, my autocompletes works fine but I thinks it's a lot thanks to vscode, which seems to have pushed LSP.

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                              skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl
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                              Install the right plugin and IntelliJ will act like Eclipse ten years ago. Bonus points for the plugin being a mandatory part of your company's work flow with no alternatives other than a command line nobody can help you with.

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                              • P prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works

                                Just use ed like the gods intended

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                                chapulincolorado@lemmy.world
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                                What about Edd and Eddy?

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                                  greenknight23@lemmy.world
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                                  modern IDEs are dog shit. If I needed a glorified clippy telling me how to do my job I'd smash my brains out all over my keyboard.

                                  Give me an editor with the following and I'll be good for life.

                                  • syntax highlighting/error flagging
                                  • project scoping
                                  • script injection
                                  • ftp/scp

                                  nice to have:

                                  • db viewer (SQL/sqlite)
                                  • json viewer
                                  • diff
                                  • git/vcs

                                  if an editor can do all that I can make it do whatever I need.

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                                    buffing_lecturer@leminal.space
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                                    That is a pretty good way to look at it.

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                                    • M mnbychoice@midwest.social

                                      One doesn't know how to code if they cannot spell the whole word.

                                      (Turn off autocomplete for a day and test your actual knowledge.)

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                                      lukstru@lemmy.world
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                                      Nah thanks, I want to program by solving logic problems, not syntax problems.

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                                      • 6 6nk06@sh.itjust.works

                                        Actually Clion is prone to eating all your RAM randomly. It's Java after all.

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                                        taldennz@lemmy.nz
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                                        Java can only eat RAM up to a limit. So while it is memory hungry, it won't be randomly "eating all your RAM". Rather, more predictably it'll eat a lot more of your RAM than you'd like.

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                                        • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techS scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech

                                          Are you even a real programmer if you haven't fixed a prod critical but in notepad++ because your ide won't open for whatever reason?

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                                          5too@lemmy.world
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                                          I've lost track of the number of Report Builder files I've had to update via Notepad++ - the intended editor has so many weird kinks and corner cases it's often easier to just edit the file directly!

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