Is this the typical behaviour of fediverse users? Posts in Apple and Nintendo communities immediately get downvoted by people disliking the companies. Can’t they just block the communities?
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Nothing wrong with downvote. If those companies didn't earn so much hatred topic about them wouldn't get downvoted.
But the posts are in specific Apple/Nintendo communities. Do you downvote those?
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Upvotes/downvotes are unfortunately a fundamentally flawed concept. They originally served as an superior alternative to forums' previous sorting method of most-recently commented, but they are far from flawless themselves.
My ideal alternative would be some kind of customisable sort order chosen by the user that uses some kind of sentiment analysis of the text to find the kind of posts the user is interested in. For example, you could sort by whether post look serious or joking, how long they are, ratio of words to hyperlinks, etc. Could also filter out ragebait and similar rubbish.
Of course I can see downsides - performance considerations, and it would only work for text posts and comments, but it's just an idea off the top of my head.
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Upvotes/downvotes are unfortunately a fundamentally flawed concept. They originally served as an superior alternative to forums' previous sorting method of most-recently commented, but they are far from flawless themselves.
My ideal alternative would be some kind of customisable sort order chosen by the user that uses some kind of sentiment analysis of the text to find the kind of posts the user is interested in. For example, you could sort by whether post look serious or joking, how long they are, ratio of words to hyperlinks, etc. Could also filter out ragebait and similar rubbish.
Of course I can see downsides - performance considerations, and it would only work for text posts and comments, but it's just an idea off the top of my head.
Slashdot style.
Hopefully one day we'll get there. Up/downvotes are too limited.
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I try my best to only downvote explicitly hateful or unhelpful comments
But I can get it because I have blocked every single news source I possibly can, and like every three to eight days a new one pops up.
Like, I don't give a fuck about news. I don't want to know how miserable the world is or how much more miserable it is than yesterday. I want to look at kitties and titties and maybe some funny stuff in between and that's about it.
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But the posts are in specific Apple/Nintendo communities. Do you downvote those?
If I see them in the feed then yes. Would you downvote a post promoting Adolf Hitler even if it was on a nazi community?
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Are you endorsing that behavior? How ironic that meaningless scores are seen as an offence but removing people's ability to participate is totally fine.
How ironic that meaningless scores are seen as an offence
downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn't just ban randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
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How ironic that meaningless scores are seen as an offence
downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old lemm.ee comm and when I banned them (about 4 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and no contribution. And if they got in early, they could sink new threads. Now, I wouldn't just ban randoms for occasional downvotes - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable patterns - I might.
Made a huge difference.
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I guess it sucks to have a target audience who doesn't sort by new, skill issue.
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I try my best to only downvote explicitly hateful or unhelpful comments
But I can get it because I have blocked every single news source I possibly can, and like every three to eight days a new one pops up.
Like, I don't give a fuck about news. I don't want to know how miserable the world is or how much more miserable it is than yesterday. I want to look at kitties and titties and maybe some funny stuff in between and that's about it.
Piefed has built in keyword filters.
The Lemmy.world team has an instance: https://piefed.world/
I don't care about news either, and the amount I see has reduced quite a lot thanks to that.
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If I see them in the feed then yes. Would you downvote a post promoting Adolf Hitler even if it was on a nazi community?
Wait, you'd stay subscribed to nazi communities just to downvote them instead of blocking them?
And people supporting companies you don't like are equivalent to nazis?
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I think people often use /all to browse, which makes sense for a fairly small site like Lemmy. But the downside is that people then upvote or downvote based on their preferences, not the community's.
(Eg, the fellow below who has decided Apple and Nintendo are like Nazis and must always be downvoted.)
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Wait, you'd stay subscribed to nazi communities just to downvote them instead of blocking them?
And people supporting companies you don't like are equivalent to nazis?
They have been banned for 7 days.
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Wait, you'd stay subscribed to nazi communities just to downvote them instead of blocking them?
And people supporting companies you don't like are equivalent to nazis?
They are saying the posts being on a community dedicated to a thing doesn't make them immune from downvotes.
It was an extreme example, not an equivalence.
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Piefed has built in keyword filters.
The Lemmy.world team has an instance: https://piefed.world/
I don't care about news either, and the amount I see has reduced quite a lot thanks to that.
The keyword filters are amazing. Its transformed my mood when visiting the site.
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Yes, it's typical.
Votes don't mean much, but communities that deviate from the main spirit have to live with them. (And yes, that's mostly bad, even though in a few cases it's good.)
No, to be fair, they can ban the downvoters
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I guess it sucks to have a target audience who doesn't sort by new, skill issue.
Or I could just ban repeat downvoters lol
(Have only done this twice since making the transition)
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If I see them in the feed then yes. Would you downvote a post promoting Adolf Hitler even if it was on a nazi community?
Do you think this is a reasonable comparison?
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The downvote is used to express negative sentiments
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I think people often use /all to browse, which makes sense for a fairly small site like Lemmy. But the downside is that people then upvote or downvote based on their preferences, not the community's.
(Eg, the fellow below who has decided Apple and Nintendo are like Nazis and must always be downvoted.)
But the downside is that people then upvote or downvote based on their preferences, not the community’s.
This is only a downside for niche communites promoting positive topics like equality. Communities about for profit companies, that promote horrible ideas and people, etc are what downvotes are for.
If there was a community called "Nestlé is awesome" I would hope it gets downvoted into oblivion.
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But the downside is that people then upvote or downvote based on their preferences, not the community’s.
This is only a downside for niche communites promoting positive topics like equality. Communities about for profit companies, that promote horrible ideas and people, etc are what downvotes are for.
If there was a community called "Nestlé is awesome" I would hope it gets downvoted into oblivion.
I don't like linux, should I downvote all linux stuff? Does that make the fediverse better?
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Just stop allowing downvotes? That's how it is in hexbear instance. Problem solved.
