Is this the typical behaviour of fediverse users? Posts in Apple and Nintendo communities immediately get downvoted by people disliking the companies. Can’t they just block the communities?
-
So does simply downvoting the wrong user who made a bot to autoban people who downvoted them.
️The bots that I have heard of - I think it was called Santa or some such? - all require much more than a single downvote.
I dunno, if someone followed me around and downvoted half the stuff that I ever posted, I might make a bot to block them too. The key there is the severity of the "offense".
-
In Hexbear we don't have down votes, so you have to engage with someone to express disapproval
Instead of downvotes, we have many, many disapproving emotes.
-
This post did not contain any content.
Not made by me, but excellent oc by another lemmite https://startrek.website/post/27897300
-
The bots that I have heard of - I think it was called Santa or some such? - all require much more than a single downvote.
I dunno, if someone followed me around and downvoted half the stuff that I ever posted, I might make a bot to block them too. The key there is the severity of the "offense".
There was at least one guy on here that basically didn't have weights to his script so someone seeing a post for the first time on All had a very high chance of being seen as a "serial downvoter" from a single negative interaction without a single positive interaction to counter it. It was quite funny but I would hope they fixed that by now.
-
Sure, go for it. I literally do not care how people use single accounts to vote on any topic.
When they use multiple accounts, yeah that is clearly terrible because they are artificially inflating their votes.
Weird thread to be commenting on if you literally don't care but you do you!
I personally think this sort of stuff helps keep the fediverse from being awesome but you do you!
-
Weird thread to be commenting on if you literally don't care but you do you!
I personally think this sort of stuff helps keep the fediverse from being awesome but you do you!
I care about voting freely, not the actual vote results.
I upvote a shit ton of stuff which makes it more visible. That helps the fediverse. The shitty posts and comments that I downvote are what I see keeping the fediverse from being awesome.
-
I care about voting freely, not the actual vote results.
I upvote a shit ton of stuff which makes it more visible. That helps the fediverse. The shitty posts and comments that I downvote are what I see keeping the fediverse from being awesome.
Except, and I'm stunned this is a surprise to some but here we are, not everyone agrees on what's awesome and what's shitty.
So, in OP's case, the people who come here to talk about the nintendo games and then decide to take the plunge and post something are met with downvotes for having the audacity to post in a harmless community that others don't like.
It's lame and makes the fediverse less fun for folks, which is poison for somewhere that depends on network effects.
-
There was at least one guy on here that basically didn't have weights to his script so someone seeing a post for the first time on All had a very high chance of being seen as a "serial downvoter" from a single negative interaction without a single positive interaction to counter it. It was quite funny but I would hope they fixed that by now.
Oh yeah, the admin of Midwest.Social? That was hilarious. A bunch of communities migrated off of that instance, treating it like Lemmy.ml-lite, and I mostly forgot about it:-D.
And it looks like the Santabot project died off, or at least the community migrated without warning or something: !santabot@slrpnk.net.
-
Except, and I'm stunned this is a surprise to some but here we are, not everyone agrees on what's awesome and what's shitty.
So, in OP's case, the people who come here to talk about the nintendo games and then decide to take the plunge and post something are met with downvotes for having the audacity to post in a harmless community that others don't like.
It's lame and makes the fediverse less fun for folks, which is poison for somewhere that depends on network effects.
List of votes for spankmonkey@lemmy.world:
Total post upvotes/downvotes: 38206/883 [39089] 97.74% upvoted
Total comment upvotes/downvotes: 90499/9089 [99588] 90.87% upvoted
List of votes for mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca:
Total post upvotes/downvotes: 5591/171 [5752] 97.20% upvoted
Total comment upvotes: 1081/179 [1341] 80.61% upvoted
Maybe you shouldn't be down voting so much?
-
List of votes for spankmonkey@lemmy.world:
Total post upvotes/downvotes: 38206/883 [39089] 97.74% upvoted
Total comment upvotes/downvotes: 90499/9089 [99588] 90.87% upvoted
List of votes for mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca:
Total post upvotes/downvotes: 5591/171 [5752] 97.20% upvoted
Total comment upvotes: 1081/179 [1341] 80.61% upvoted
Maybe you shouldn't be down voting so much?
What does this have to do with what I wrote?
-
Not just fediverse, I think any site that allows "downvotes" has this issue.
Personally, I don't see why the ability to downvote needs to exist. If someone is trolling, ignore it or report it. A troll post with a score of 1 and no comments is better than one with a score of -100 and no comments. The downvotes probably encourages the troll. They know they've upset a bunch of people. All their posts getting no interaction will bore them.
On the other hand, downvotes existing leads to things being hated on for no reason. Someone on asklemmy asks what your favourite pizza topping is and the top comment is pepperoni with a score of 100 and bottom is sardines with a score of -50. You see that and think nobody likes sardines. But what if taking away downvotes changes the scores to 100 pepperoni and 12 sardines. Now sardines isn't looking so bad even though the number of people who like it hasn't changed. What does the downvoting add? It just makes the people who like sardines feel bad. They might end up not contributing in the future and then every answer to asklemmy ends up being identical.
Downvotes are useful to make bad content sink. Without them, the bad content has the exact same score as fresh new content, content that failed the Fluff Principle, etc. And you do want the bad content to sink; if you don't reduce its visibility, some clueless muppet is bound to interact with it, usually generating more bad content.
That's why I'm not sure if the best solution is to outright remove downvotes. It feels to me like throwing the baby out with the dirty water.
Instead I feel like splitting its role into 2+ buttons might alleviate the issue. Perhaps a simple "disagree" button, or a more complex Slashdot-like system, dunno. Either way, giving people way to say "I disagree!" without interfering on the main purpose of the button - sorting content.
This could also solve another issue with downvotes I don't see people mentioning often: you're often downvoted without knowing why.
Someone on asklemmy asks what your favourite pizza topping is and the top comment is pepperoni with a score of 100 and bottom is sardines with a score of -50. You see that and think nobody likes sardines. But what if taking away downvotes changes the scores to 100 pepperoni and 12 sardines.
At least in the default interface, the sardines comment would show +12 -62, so you know at least 11 people upvoted it.
-
What does this have to do with what I wrote?
You said, as a response to me saying that people should be able to vote how they want.
I personally think this sort of stuff helps keep the fediverse from being awesome but you do you!
-
You said, as a response to me saying that people should be able to vote how they want.
I personally think this sort of stuff helps keep the fediverse from being awesome but you do you!
Yes, and?
Edit: is your position now that any and all down votes are bad for the fediverse?
-
Yes, and?
Edit: is your position now that any and all down votes are bad for the fediverse?
You are making my brain hurt.
-
Not just fediverse, I think any site that allows "downvotes" has this issue.
Personally, I don't see why the ability to downvote needs to exist. If someone is trolling, ignore it or report it. A troll post with a score of 1 and no comments is better than one with a score of -100 and no comments. The downvotes probably encourages the troll. They know they've upset a bunch of people. All their posts getting no interaction will bore them.
On the other hand, downvotes existing leads to things being hated on for no reason. Someone on asklemmy asks what your favourite pizza topping is and the top comment is pepperoni with a score of 100 and bottom is sardines with a score of -50. You see that and think nobody likes sardines. But what if taking away downvotes changes the scores to 100 pepperoni and 12 sardines. Now sardines isn't looking so bad even though the number of people who like it hasn't changed. What does the downvoting add? It just makes the people who like sardines feel bad. They might end up not contributing in the future and then every answer to asklemmy ends up being identical.
I really liked how you explained this, thank you
-
Yes, and?
Edit: is your position now that any and all down votes are bad for the fediverse?
I've had to remove the person your talking to from several communities for always downvoting the content, they don't hate everything, but the things they hate they love to hate.
Their philosophy, suppress the things you don't like, doesn't scale to a general population. For every topic there will be people who don't like it. So if everybody can suppress everybody else, everybody suppressed, participation is chilled, lemmy dies.
-
Are you endorsing that behavior? How ironic that meaningless scores are seen as an offence but removing people's ability to participate is totally fine.
How ironic that meaningless scores are seen as an offence but removing people's ability to participate is totally fine.
If it's meaningless why does it matter if someone can't do the meaningless thing anymore?
-
Just stop allowing downvotes? That's how it is in hexbear instance. Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Now you got another problem: people using cringe emotes instead of downvotes. Except they highlight bad content instead of sinking it.
-
There was at least one guy on here that basically didn't have weights to his script so someone seeing a post for the first time on All had a very high chance of being seen as a "serial downvoter" from a single negative interaction without a single positive interaction to counter it. It was quite funny but I would hope they fixed that by now.
Hi! I'm the guy.
It wasn't just a single downvote, but that is a factor be to taken into account, the downvoting account gets examined and if it's only downvoting everything, or is used for strategic voting, or is actually more then a single downvote that establishes a pattern.. they would get removed from the community for being a bad fit
My full philosophy https://hackertalks.com/post/13884733
-
This post did not contain any content.
If you're modding a small community trying to get off the ground and you're suffering from downvoters who aren't participants in your comm, ban the downvoters.
Edit: Hilarious that I got downvoted by an account with 0 comments
