Are you doing your part?
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Lol I get it, so no need to apologize. I just think we did it all wrong. We get angry because something is missing from our approach. Like there's some injustice. I'm not saying people need to be out there every day engaging with toxic assholes or bots. But I do think we all should recognize that not doing that, is helping the spread of these fuckers. One thing I noticed is people of the left had different goals and then people on the right and that burnt them out. The right approached online spaces like they were meeting friends to make fun of and pick on the left. The left was only reacting to things as they happened. They weren't having fun with any of it.
if that’s not good enough for you, you can also rot with the nazis
E: don’t take it personally
The Left and the Right share a lot more in common than either side is willing to admit. The Left eats its own, and tells others what to do exactly in an analogous manner as to the Right. Just looking around at the calls for casual murder, I am reminded of having seen the same from the "other side". I've given up any hope of a rational dialogue with virtually everyone on the internet, but kudos for trying to speak truth rather than give up the good fight. We need more of that imho.
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What I am getting at is that your insinuation that atheists spread child porn specifically is pretty baseless. If atheists are just as numerous on Reddit as a proportion of the userbase now as they were in the early days of reddit, and there's less child porn on there now - then they were obviously not the cause.
Moreover, I would guess that a majority of the Fediverse are atheists.
yeah i never made that point. I was vaguely mentioning the popular topics on the site at the time.
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yeah i never made that point. I was vaguely mentioning the popular topics on the site at the time.
Okay then, you put 'atheists' alongside racists and child pornography which is what would get people's backs up.
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They're super easy to start here
I was born to follow and lurk, not lead.
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Not true! you can get into arguments with random people about Marxism AND Linux!
You can also ah... uh... well....
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This site is just way too diffuse and has too few real people actively participating. It is also missing some very basic things that would accelerate engagement. Right now, your profile doesnt tally your upvotes. This should be a pretty simple fix and would promote visibility into who the top contributors are and the perceived quality of their upvotes.
Organized events would also keep momentum going. I remember back when reddit had AMAs that were actually interesting and fun instead of thinly veiled opportunities to plug a recent project while talking to someone's PR manager.
The aesthetic could also use a revamp. Nothing tailored to smartphone usage (blech), but maybe something that fills the screen by default, and improves readability? Comment sections are less easy to follow than on pre-IPO reddit. Native hoverzoom would also be nice. Is there anywhere to actually have an exchange with the people running Lemmy?
You will find that there are reasons behind all of this. For one thing Lemmy is developed using Rust, which even experienced C++ programmers do not enjoy using, and for another there's tankies and only slightly less relevant, the amount of time that the developers spend moderating their tankie instance leaves little time to actually make changes to the software. Requests go unmet for YEARS, while other requests actively move backwards in functionality, if by forwards you mean democratic principles and backwards is towards greater levels of authoritarian control and less freedom by the end users.
Seriously, as others are saying, try PieFed. It releases new features practically every other week, and has a way better interface. You can even help by designing themes or your own custom CSS. And you can still access the entire Threadiverse, exactly as you can with Lemmy, except with better control (more functional, e.g. more fine-grained) such as the Topic/Feeds that are user customizable and shareable.
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They could make it optional to each seperate instance in the Fediverse. I could see it being popular on Lemmy for the Dopamine hit. Less so on some of the more focused or political instances.
then, e question:
do we count to profile carma points received from no-carma instances?
If so, people from profile-carma instances would still be prone to cheap attention farming.
How it is now is perfect personaly for me: there are still discussions, less popular, more disagreeaple comments are still at the bottom, and you still can see, how controversial your opinion is. And, as i already said, this system still removes whole cast of cheap carma farmers, making interactions more meaningful on average.
Lemmy is still prettx underground, but let's be honest, it'd probably stay undergound. This site is a bunch of nerds dreaming of a future without corpo dictature on what should and what should not be. It's good to dream big, but dreaming about becoming another reddit is kinda stupid if you ask me.
You wanna make lemmy more popular? Talk about it over other social media in a good light (not just fucking tankie reddit), repost screenshots and memes from over there, etc. Profile-visible carma is just not it.
but then, lemmy is foss, you can do it yourself, if you really believe in your idea.
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Which is fine at least we arent following reddit which started out with racists, atheiests and child porn.
What are you on about? There's tons of atheists still on reddit now. They don't spread child porn.
Reddit removed /r/atheists from :r/all years ago so it's not as visible now.
Arguably a big part of the enshittification imo.
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You will find that there are reasons behind all of this. For one thing Lemmy is developed using Rust, which even experienced C++ programmers do not enjoy using, and for another there's tankies and only slightly less relevant, the amount of time that the developers spend moderating their tankie instance leaves little time to actually make changes to the software. Requests go unmet for YEARS, while other requests actively move backwards in functionality, if by forwards you mean democratic principles and backwards is towards greater levels of authoritarian control and less freedom by the end users.
Seriously, as others are saying, try PieFed. It releases new features practically every other week, and has a way better interface. You can even help by designing themes or your own custom CSS. And you can still access the entire Threadiverse, exactly as you can with Lemmy, except with better control (more functional, e.g. more fine-grained) such as the Topic/Feeds that are user customizable and shareable.
Thanks, that was a helpful reply. I am not exactly a tankie, but I am actively trying to avoid the more right wing pockets of the internet that are actively avoiding reddit. The venn diagram is small, I think.
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Atheists are way less likely to create child porn than a catholic priest.
Don't make me pull out citations and evidence based data in this thread. I'll do it.
He's referencing /r/jailbait which was super popular on Reddit till they banned it.
I found the existence of the sub fuckjng appalling but it was also arguably a big part of the enshittifstion of Reddit. Like. I hate that it existed but it wasn't illegal.
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What I am getting at is that your insinuation that atheists spread child porn specifically is pretty baseless. If atheists are just as numerous on Reddit as a proportion of the userbase now as they were in the early days of reddit, and there's less child porn on there now - then they were obviously not the cause.
Moreover, I would guess that a majority of the Fediverse are atheists.
They never made this point.
Your inability to read is showing.
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We're growing slowly but at least we are growing.
Agreed.
I don't think anyone that believes different was on early Reddit.
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They never made this point.
Your inability to read is showing.
They lumped in atheists with racists and child porn. It was easily misread as at least implying atheists are equivalent morally or as bad.
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Reddit removed /r/atheists from :r/all years ago so it's not as visible now.
Arguably a big part of the enshittification imo.
Yeah, it used to be more visible. I know.
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He's referencing /r/jailbait which was super popular on Reddit till they banned it.
I found the existence of the sub fuckjng appalling but it was also arguably a big part of the enshittifstion of Reddit. Like. I hate that it existed but it wasn't illegal.
It wasn't. But it was pretty bad PR for the site.
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Be the change you wanna see. They set this up to be as user driven as possible. You can start communities, discussions, all of it. I started a Zombie community to have somewhere to discuss my take on season one of Fear the Walking Dead. Not much engagement yet but ya gotta start somewhere. It'll never take off if everyone who isn't permabanned keeps slipping off to reddit.
One thing I find satisfying is noticing how much more intelligent people are here than on reddit. It speaks volumes regarding the types of people who get permabanned from [insert any scathing adjectives of your choice] Reddit.
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Lemmy doesnt have any proper discussions though. Its just memes. Personally i have to check reddit to actually get proper content to learn something from.
But still, Lemmy is at least not big tech!
There are serious discusions, you just have to find them. Mostly news and technology articles, but there could be more.
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Be the change you wanna see. They set this up to be as user driven as possible. You can start communities, discussions, all of it. I started a Zombie community to have somewhere to discuss my take on season one of Fear the Walking Dead. Not much engagement yet but ya gotta start somewhere. It'll never take off if everyone who isn't permabanned keeps slipping off to reddit.
You can't be the change when the change is "we need more people"
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They lumped in atheists with racists and child porn. It was easily misread as at least implying atheists are equivalent morally or as bad.
This is why people are saying you're implying.
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INFORMAL
noun
1.
pornography.
"hardcore porn"
2.
television programs, magazines, books, etc. that are regarded as emphasizing the sensuous or sensational aspects of a nonsexual subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience.
"a thrilling throwback to the golden age of disaster movies—weather porn of the highest order"
adjective
pornographic.
"a porn video"And I stand corrected on my earlier
According to google /r/jailbait was, by definitin, porn
I do think most people thin of porn d overt sexual content though.
It was definitely easily misread though, I agree with that. Even though you didn't have to go to /r/all.
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It wasn't. But it was pretty bad PR for the site.
This is why people as misreading you.
"It wan't" is not super clear. If you said "it wasn't popular" people would understand you better.
