The Great Migration Has Begun Again!
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For a brief time they had been moved to a sub menu, but it was annoying and so they were shuffled around again.
PieFed.social is the "bleeding edge" where all the newest experimental stuff is tried out, but the other
instances are more stable e.g. https://feddit.online/ .Ah that makes sense. I'm not using it enough to notice the subtle changes over time.
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lemm.ee has been a shit-show for a while.
I suspect it just got more toxic than the admins could stomach and ate itself.
lemm.ee has been a shit-show for a while.
This is so funny coming from a .world account
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I immediately noticed the combined comments, that's an excellent feature.
I Recognise you from .ee!
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I was made aware of Piefed from recent posts about this and went ahead and made an account in case I want to ditch Lemmy altogether in the future, but I'm familiar with how it works and will keep using it for now.
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How so? Is there drama I have missed or something?
lemmy is permantly shutting down due to admin burnout.
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lemmy is permantly shutting down due to admin burnout.
lemmy in general or lemm.ee?
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I was made aware of Piefed from recent posts about this and went ahead and made an account in case I want to ditch Lemmy altogether in the future, but I'm familiar with how it works and will keep using it for now.
is piefed not a lemmy instance?
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is piefed not a lemmy instance?
It's a totally different software project. Written in Python as opposed to Rust (programming language used for Lemmy).
But it is also part of the fediverse with ActivityPub compatibility, so you can easily browse and subscribe to Lemmy communities and content from PieFed and vice versa.
https://piefed.social/ is the original PieFed instance.
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is piefed not a lemmy instance?
No, but it federates with Lemmy.
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lemm.ee has been a shit-show for a while.
This is so funny coming from a .world account
Ooooh fight fight fight! (Whatever it takes to leave
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That doesn't make sense I f Thu had a no pornography rule how could they federate with instances that had porn.
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Lemmy is written in Rust and even high experienced and capable C++ developers do not know how to work with it, plus the language itself is not finished.
that's just plain false. It's easier to use Rust than C++ because most of the pitfalls are eliminated, and many tools helping to get things done are built in nd have good quality. C++ devs just have a hard time getting used to the differences. It's also questionable whether rust is unfinished. It's not like its "beta" or "pre-release", and if your point is that it's still getting new features, then consider that C++ and Python does too.
python is better for prototyping, and it can be better for tools and simpler software. but if you think Python is better for "production" generally, then look at Matrix Synapse.
that being said, I agree that Rust is more complicated than other languages, but not by a large margin. but yeah, it matters for beginner friendliness, and I would never recommend Rust for someone who is just a beginner in programming; but neither would I recommend C or C++ for them.
though to be honest, I would be happier if the defacto beginner friendly language would be something with stricter types.While I come from more of the Rust sort of side of things, and I agree with you that I'd rather have widely-used languages having static typing (though I've written more Python than Rust), it's also true that different languages have different degrees of uptake in different areas.
As things stand, Piefed, Lemmy, and Mbin all have an integrated Web frontend and backend, with third party client support via API. That is, they work kind of like Reddit does, not Usenet or IRC servers, where the backends and the frontends are entirely different projects.
I'm confident that Python has vastly more uptake for frontend Web development than Rust does. That means that it's going to be way easier to find contributors who understand how to build a Web UI who know Python than who know Rust.
If there were a split from this approach --- that is, if the UI became decoupled from the backends, and users just used Aphrodite or mlym or whatever, and the backend wound up looking something like Usenet server software, --- then I think that there might be a stronger argument for doing the backend in something like Rust, depending upon how it was structured.
But I think that Rust probably creates a high bar for attracting front-end contributors who are knowledgeable in building Web systems.
I'd also point out that Reddit started out in Common Lisp --- Paul Graham, who was involved with its early days, is a huge fan of Common Lisp --- but eventually was rewritten in Python.
EDIT: There's also Sublinks, in Java, but it doesn't look like it's getting a lot of activity.
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That doesn't make sense I f Thu had a no pornography rule how could they federate with instances that had porn.
You can have a "no local pornography" rule without also defederating from instances that have pornography.
The instance I'm on, lemmy.today, has an admin who disallows local pornography communities on the instance and explicitly says that he's fine with users participating in pornography communities on other instances through his instance. From its server rules:
No local pornography communities (but you are free to subscribe to them on other instances if you wish).
That makes sense if you don't have some sort of desire to block it from users on the server, but just don't want to deal with the administrative hassle that comes with it.
