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I'm going to miss lemm.ee.

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  • R razzazzika@lemm.ee

    Shit I'm out of the loop, is my account being deleted or something?

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    irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    #153

    End of june, lemm.ee is shutting down.

    don't worry though, most communities are available on other instances.

    Just make a new account on lemmy.zip, export your settings/subscriptions from lemm.ee and import them on .zip.

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    • quietcupcake@hexbear.netQ quietcupcake@hexbear.net

      We arguably ARE the most lgbtq instance that isn't specifically about lgbtqia+ (it is about radical leftism which is inseperable from lgbtqia+ rights and liberation). And nah, my fidel-wut reaction is 100% appropriate here. What's more, hexbear is known for taking long and difficult looks into the mirror, to a degree liberal instances could never hope to do. Our resolute dedication to rooting out and correcting misogyny, racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism and even just plain unrecognized privilege is well known and easily confirmed by looking at our history. Whatever lgbtq instance defederated from us was not because of homophobia or transphobia or anything like that, but rather their unwillingness to address the chasers infesting their community and our subsequent unwillingness to tolerate that kind of behavior and keep it from eroding the safe space that has been built through hard work and the dedication especially of the many trans people that make up our community. Trying to paint hexbear as anything other than in complete full support of lgbtqia+, which the vast majority of us are, is absurd and insulting.

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      railcar8095@lemm.ee
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      #154

      Trying to paint hexbear as anything other than in complete full support of lgbtqiat, which the vast majority of us are, is absurd and insulting.

      Well, I guess you can feel insulted then.

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      • roserose56@lemmy.caR roserose56@lemmy.ca

        Out of loop? We had posts and posts about lemm.ee going down, how did you missed it?
        Anyway, end of June lemm.ee is going down, which means it won't be accessible!
        If you want to access lemmy after that, you have to find a new instance. Have a look here to search for a new instance.

        Don't forget to export your profile settings from settings > Import/Export Settings > export.

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        razzazzika@lemm.ee
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        #155

        Been busy with moving and stuff. This is the first I saw anything. Thanks for the info.

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        • A alteredego@lemmy.ml

          Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they'll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn't a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.

          I'm just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.

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          tweak@feddit.uk
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          For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can't easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it's just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).

          Maybe there's some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.

          Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.

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            orochi02@feddit.org
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            #157

            So what about all the valuble content in the Communities posted?

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            • A alteredego@lemmy.ml

              I really liked lemm.ee because it didn't defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.

              But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can't be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.

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              blaze@piefed.social
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              #158

              Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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              • I ideonek@lemm.ee

                That's a disturbingly good point.

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                blaze@piefed.social
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                Community migration is available on Piefed: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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                • R railcar8095@lemm.ee

                  Trying to paint hexbear as anything other than in complete full support of lgbtqiat, which the vast majority of us are, is absurd and insulting.

                  Well, I guess you can feel insulted then.

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                  funkystuff@hexbear.net
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                  #160

                  Hey, big fan of your comments, I think you're doing great stuff here. Can I request you do a collab with Evidence? You may not have heard of her.

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                  • O orochi02@feddit.org

                    So what about all the valuble content in the Communities posted?

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                    irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    #161

                    Posts that propagated to other communities will stay on servers.

                    Images will break though.

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                    • A alteredego@lemmy.ml

                      I think so but https://lemmy.today/instances doesn't have any blocked instances at all, which can't be good lol

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                      rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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                      Why is that a problem? I mean, I'm perfectly capable of blocking any comm or instance I don't like. Why do I need my instance's admin to do it for me?

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                      • A alteredego@lemmy.ml

                        Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they'll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn't a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.

                        I'm just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.

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                        blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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                        • O orochi02@feddit.org

                          So what about all the valuble content in the Communities posted?

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                          blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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                          • H honytawk@feddit.nl

                            With .ml you can sometimes still have a good discussion. Maybe because the community is so big. And not everyone who joins knows ml stands for Marxist-Leninist.

                            But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.

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                            openstars@piefed.social
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                            I finally blocked all of Lemmy.ml. You are correct of course, but the rare times someone says even a passable comment simply is not worth all the times I see the most bat shit insane replies, none of which I have to see ever again now.:-) I find that tradeoff worthwhile for myself at least.

                            Lemmy.world communities can get that way too obviously, as you say because of the size, but still... it's different, the ratios of worthwhile to not worthwhile comments.

                            A couple of years ago it was not this way, but time has passed and nowadays it seems to become (every so slightly) increasingly true.

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                            • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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                              orochi02@feddit.org
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                              Ootl, Whats piefed

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                              • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true

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                                alteredego@lemmy.ml
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                                Thanks, that's interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.

                                But I've been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.

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                                • T tweak@feddit.uk

                                  For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can't easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it's just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).

                                  Maybe there's some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.

                                  Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.

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                                  alteredego@lemmy.ml
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                                  Yeah. There is a userscript called "Lemmy Universal Link Switcher" (link) that helps with that, but of course it's just an UI fix.

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                                  • O orochi02@feddit.org

                                    Ootl, Whats piefed

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                                    threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Pretty similar functionality to Lemmy, but written in Python by a separate development team.

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                                    • A alteredego@lemmy.ml

                                      I interact regularly with "those ml" instances and don't meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it's mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.

                                      Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won't.

                                      In case you're curious, I also believe "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I'm a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in "shithole" countries.

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                                      rabblerebel@lemmy.wtf
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                                      #170

                                      I'm an an-com. It's not rumors or propaganda, it's seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.

                                      If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.

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                                      • R rabblerebel@lemmy.wtf

                                        I'm an an-com. It's not rumors or propaganda, it's seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.

                                        If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.

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                                        alteredego@lemmy.ml
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                                        But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.

                                        And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading "rumors, propaganda, cherry picking" and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn't doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It's become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That's how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.

                                        What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they've long been captured.

                                        That's why I'm specifically looking for a server that doesn't block those pesky radicals and dissenters.

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