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  • H hakase@lemmy.zip

    Why are you making this up when you can literally go back and reread our conversation? I'd do it myself just to copy/paste the whole conversation here, but it was on my lemm.ee account and in the lemmy.ee "Lemmy needs more donations" thread so I can't access it anymore. Feel free to do so - I have nothing to hide.

    Being this disingenuous isn't winning you any points.

    Edit: Hell, I'm the one who gave ground here. My original stance was that you needed to give up all association with .ml entirely, and I backed off of that position when I heard how necessary it was as a dev instance.

    I'm practically bending over backward here to give you money, and you just won't let me.

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    nutomic@lemmy.ml
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    #66

    Sorry I talked with many dozens of people about this topic and dont remember what you specifically said. In my head it all got mixed together into a single conversation.

    The way I see it, funding for Lemmy development is an entirely separate issue from the moderation of lemmy.ml. The moderation for an instance should only be decided by its local admins and users. Imagine lemmy.ml users going around and saying that lemmy.zip must change this or that thing. You would tell them to mind their own business, and with good reason.

    I found your reply now, here it is. You were asking for lemmy.ml donations to be separate from other donations. This was already addressed long ago, see here.

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    • S socsa@piefed.social

      I don't know what other people said. My problem has always been that the donations pay for Dessalines to be everything he claims to hate about reddit.

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      nutomic@lemmy.ml
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      #67

      Of the two us us Dessalines is the one who needs funding the least, he was fine with the previous donation amount of 1000 Euros per dev. Im the one who created the call for donations because I have two small children to feed. So whether you donate or not isnt going to change Dessalines' mind at all.

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      • L lemminary@lemmy.world

        Are you trying to pull a Regina George, or...? I think it's pretty clear why people abhor your instance when everyone's getting a piece of it from the very admins.

        Anyway, we're not talking about that. You said it was slander, and there you have it, it turns out it's not.

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        nutomic@lemmy.ml
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        #68

        Thats a character from "Mean Girls"? Never watched that series. Those who abhor lemmy.ml could simply ignore it, there are plenty of tools available. Instead some people spend all day complaining about it. Seems so pointless and exhausing when they could do something useful with their time instead, and post about things that they like.

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        • baroqueinmind@piefed.socialB baroqueinmind@piefed.social

          I hate tankies, but I think Castro had great socialist policies to provide good education and healthcare to all. It's silly to assume something from simply appearances and profile pics because that would be dumb as fuck

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          nutomic@lemmy.ml
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          #69

          It seems a lot of people especially from the US are still suffering from red scare propaganda. Anyway its just an avatar to give a human face to my online accounts without using my real face.

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          • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

            whines about politics, yet has account on extremist tankie instance of politics. you're no better than conservatives to be honest, they use the same exact denial-speak.

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            nutomic@lemmy.ml
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            #70

            Where am I whining?

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            • nutomic@lemmy.mlN nutomic@lemmy.ml

              Thats a character from "Mean Girls"? Never watched that series. Those who abhor lemmy.ml could simply ignore it, there are plenty of tools available. Instead some people spend all day complaining about it. Seems so pointless and exhausing when they could do something useful with their time instead, and post about things that they like.

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              lemminary@lemmy.world
              wrote last edited by lemminary@lemmy.world
              #71

              Yes, the movie Mean Girls. Regina tyrannizes the whole school, antagonizes everyone and she's all, "why are you so obsessed with me"? Like, gurl, why do you think?

              But like I said, I was only replying to you about the slander. We wouldn't have those receipts if people didn't post them when they happened in the first place. But my question is, if the whole point of Lemmy is to have the transparency that Reddit lacks, why are the admins discouraging people from looking, painting it all as an obsession?

              Raise your hand if you've been personally victimized by Lemmy.ml

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              • C crazyminner@lemmy.ml

                Yeah. One is written in python and the other in Rust for example.

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                #72

                Yea, Python has a tendency to be fast to work on at the start, but once the system reaches a certain level of complexity, it gets unwieldy... Rust doesn't run into the same problem, but takes a bit more up-front work on the small scale. At least that is my experience working with both professionally.

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                • bagofheavystones@piefed.socialB bagofheavystones@piefed.social

                  Can I make a one-time donation?
                  One-time donations aren't properly supported yet, but you can discontinue your donation immediately after initiating the first payment.

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                  sortekanin@feddit.dk
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                  #73

                  You can do one-time donations via Liberapay. Just select the option to be reminded to renew instead of automatically renewing. You'll get an email that reminds you to renew when the time is up, but you can just ignore it.

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                  • L lemminary@lemmy.world

                    Yes, the movie Mean Girls. Regina tyrannizes the whole school, antagonizes everyone and she's all, "why are you so obsessed with me"? Like, gurl, why do you think?

                    But like I said, I was only replying to you about the slander. We wouldn't have those receipts if people didn't post them when they happened in the first place. But my question is, if the whole point of Lemmy is to have the transparency that Reddit lacks, why are the admins discouraging people from looking, painting it all as an obsession?

                    Raise your hand if you've been personally victimized by Lemmy.ml

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                    alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                    #74

                    I was victimized, apparently .ml is too lib for the CPC so I had to jump instances when traveling in China because they blocked it. I kinda like this instance more so I haven't bothered to go back to my old acc now that I'm outside the Great Firewall.

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                    • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

                      I was victimized, apparently .ml is too lib for the CPC so I had to jump instances when traveling in China because they blocked it. I kinda like this instance more so I haven't bothered to go back to my old acc now that I'm outside the Great Firewall.

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                      lemminary@lemmy.world
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                      #75

                      Thank you for sharing your experience in China, but we're talking about admins.

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                      • nutomic@lemmy.mlN nutomic@lemmy.ml

                        Of the two us us Dessalines is the one who needs funding the least, he was fine with the previous donation amount of 1000 Euros per dev. Im the one who created the call for donations because I have two small children to feed. So whether you donate or not isnt going to change Dessalines' mind at all.

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                        socsa@piefed.social
                        wrote last edited by socsa@piefed.social
                        #76

                        Maybe talk to him about his behavior then, and how it impacts you.

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                        • apotheotic@beehaw.orgA apotheotic@beehaw.org

                          Both of those things demonstrate the same point:

                          Lemmy has more funding per user (or, similarly, fewer users per dollar) by a large margin

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                          stitch0815@feddit.org
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                          #77

                          They do yes

                          does not change the fact though 😄

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                          • S socsa@piefed.social

                            Maybe talk to him about his behavior then, and how it impacts you.

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                            #78

                            The way I see it funding for Lemmy development is entirely separate from lemmy.ml moderation. That is something for the local admins and users to decide, and they are happy with the status quo.

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                            • S stitch0815@feddit.org

                              They do yes

                              does not change the fact though 😄

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                              apotheotic@beehaw.org
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                              #79

                              Sure, in a pedantic sense they did the wrong thing 😜

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                              • A axel7fb5@lemmy.cafe

                                can you provide proof?

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                                #80

                                (also tagging @BaroqueInMind@piefed.social)

                                There is an entire community dedicated to this at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works (see especially the megathread post with many linked examples), while other communities mostly have stopped talking about it since it is such common knowledge (therefore "old news" and thus off topic), but see also some posts in e.g. !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com .

                                I note that lemmy.cafe is one of the only instances I've ever heard of that is brave enough to defederate from all three of the largest tankie instances, despite the main devs of the Lemmy software also being the admins of some of those.

                                Edit: also there is this interesting post: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531 .

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                                • openstars@piefed.socialO openstars@piefed.social

                                  (also tagging @BaroqueInMind@piefed.social)

                                  There is an entire community dedicated to this at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works (see especially the megathread post with many linked examples), while other communities mostly have stopped talking about it since it is such common knowledge (therefore "old news" and thus off topic), but see also some posts in e.g. !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com .

                                  I note that lemmy.cafe is one of the only instances I've ever heard of that is brave enough to defederate from all three of the largest tankie instances, despite the main devs of the Lemmy software also being the admins of some of those.

                                  Edit: also there is this interesting post: https://feddit.nl/post/16246531 .

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                                  axel7fb5@lemmy.cafe
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                                  I note that lemmy.cafe is one of the only instances I’ve ever heard of that is brave enough to defederate from all three of the largest tankie instances, despite the main devs of the Lemmy software also being the admins of some of those.

                                  What does defederating mean?

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                                  • A axel7fb5@lemmy.cafe

                                    I note that lemmy.cafe is one of the only instances I’ve ever heard of that is brave enough to defederate from all three of the largest tankie instances, despite the main devs of the Lemmy software also being the admins of some of those.

                                    What does defederating mean?

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                                    A complete cutoff of all communication between instances (servers). Theoretically should only be used as a last resort, where the instance admins refuse to moderate their userbase, but in practice there seem to be several instances that contribute mainly negative (i.e. trolling) content to the rest of the Fediverse, in which case losing everything from them - all the good but also all the bad too - becomes worth it.

                                    See also the "Nazi bar" effect: YOU may not be a Nazi, nor any of your friends, and you may meet separately like a quiet corner or back room, but if you hang out in a bar that becomes known for being friendly to Nazis, then anyone you invite to join you at the bar is likely to deny your request. The possibility of goodness of conversations with you in that case gets outweighed by the likelihood of bad interactions with the Nazis that they would have to pass by on their way to you.

                                    Although in the case of Lemmy, it is not Alt-Right Nazis, but Alt-Left tankies, at hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and to a lesser but still very significant degree lemmy.ml.

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                                    • baroqueinmind@piefed.socialB baroqueinmind@piefed.social

                                      Dont know, but why do you need an app when it is an http sandbox for the mobile site that already works in a browser?

                                      Why does every fucking thing need an app? Just use the website. It looks and works the exact same way, but doesn't send telemetry to Apple or Google.

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                                      #83

                                      I would like to know this as well but you came across so strong here that I think you will never get an answer to this implementation of your question:-)

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                                      • openstars@piefed.socialO openstars@piefed.social

                                        I would like to know this as well but you came across so strong here that I think you will never get an answer to this implementation of your question:-)

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                                        baroqueinmind@piefed.social
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                                        It's too bad most people, including yourself, are intolerant prudes and nothing will change towards a positive trend in your lifetime.

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                                        • baroqueinmind@piefed.socialB baroqueinmind@piefed.social

                                          It's too bad most people, including yourself, are intolerant prudes and nothing will change towards a positive trend in your lifetime.

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                                          Perhaps I am... and perhaps you are too, and is that even wrong/bad, to have opinions about what we like or do not?

                                          The world is as it is, not as we wish it. That said, power comes from realizing that and turning it to your advantage. I wanted to gently push you to consider that, but I may have come on too strong myself. Don't let me ruin your day!

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