Interesting claims about ActivityPub over on Bluesky - any response?

Emily Hunt (@emily.space)

Really interesting to see @freeourfeeds.com launch, which is an independent project to build social infrastructure with AT Protocol (the open source tech that powers Bluesky). It would be great for the ecosystem to have more than one big player! [contains quote post or other embedded content]

Bluesky Social (bsky.app)

#ActivityPub

I don't want to spark a flame war, but it would be interesting to have a technical document that at least tries to objectively compare the two protocols (ActivityPub vs. ATProtocol). When I see Bluesky people attacking ActivityPub I don't know how to respond.

Or perhaps there is such a document that someone could recommend?

@galaxy_map Emily Hunt's replies to that toot are on the mark. It's a question of priorities, but activitypub means that users have to bet on their chosen host surviving long term for everything. But in practice, they don't last and the protocol design makes switching providers difficult (from the migration process not preserving toots, to relying on the host remaining reachable to actually migrate users).

There are real risks with atproto, sure, and its governance is one of them, but for my money it's the one I'm betting on long term because ultimately, it's hard to hope that the instance I picked will still be running in two, three, five years.

@cjshearwood @galaxy_map

Just operate your own instance.

Possibly with #ActivityPub.

Not really possible with #ATproto.

@nick @galaxy_map I mean, your average social media user doesn't have the vocabulary to even start thinking about running their own instance. I'm a professional software developer, with friends and contacts who do/have previously run their own instances and the overwhelming consensus is that social issues aside (like knowing to defederate the nazi, porn and abuse instances) it's not a great technical solution either. And frankly I don't want to spent my limited time on earth managing another server when I could be spending it doing something I actually enjoy.

@cjshearwood @galaxy_map

Then just decide for a well-known #Fediverse instance, that already operates for years...