I keep seeing this thing pop up on my timeline and my issue is that I can't find the genesis statement, only people fixating on a response of the event (which frankly checks out - and again, reading/knowledge of the past defends it).
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I keep seeing this thing pop up on my timeline and my issue is that I can't find the genesis statement, only people fixating on a response of the event (which frankly checks out - and again, reading/knowledge of the past defends it).
The fact, for me, is that since it seems to be a singular event put against a wave of things and that one event is being enough to shut someone down but not the wave of other events getting nary a mention (thus scoping the conversation to a very narrow lens) is making me squint at this. It feels like it's devolved into a nearly tit-for-tat situation, especially from a more populous group in the space (by numbers alone) that the event occurred, although it's not congruent to the world at large.
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jalcine@todon.eureplied to jalcine@todon.eu last edited by
What do you do then when people routinely negate humanity? When they do it ad nauseum? I'm still looking for the genesis point of this because it's easier to find the wall of statements from the defending party (which, NGL, is not being looked at; maybe until this is discerned then they'll look at holding that person accountable? Are they even accountable to anyone? Who IS this person?)
There's a reason only one bit of my identity is mentioned here on here and it's the one I can't really hide without a lot of bleach (and even then). There's those with identities who aren't so invisible either.
TBH, this is also part of a bigger thing with online spaces, identity management and community accountability. No one can be made to be held responsible for anyone else (there's no levers for that in our tools, that has to be done however deemed fit), most people on here might ONLY know people VIA these spaces (which creates the same paradigm akin to Stan culture in terms of folks with only a stint of understanding rushing to defend someone else). And, worst of all, IMO, people cannot be explicit and verbose in constrained mediums (with the idea of transformative justice) so it cycles more and more into resentment like none other.
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jalcine@todon.eureplied to jalcine@todon.eu last edited by
In short: We're (all) doing the same shit that's done to everyone to us right now and we're not even trying to do something different. And that makes me really uncomfortable.
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Expanding a bit, offline, I was the perpetrator of abuse to someone. They reported it to the org I work in and (excluding a lot of details on the specifics because the other party didn't want it public) we worked on a plan to provide demonstrations of my acknowledgement of the harm I caused, what they needed from me to understand that I understood what I did was wrong and how I could be held accountable (in my case, it was check-ins in relation to the event, no contact for half a year and providing two weeks of domestic care work). I was definitely grumpy but that's to be expected when you're in conflict.
But people have to be able to TALK clearly about it. It's not going to happen in a spectator space, which is what online systems are. No one is going to get what they want on here and expecting it is going to tantamount to expecting Eric Schmidt to acknowledge his role in building the United States' most efficient civilian surveillance machine (that actually kinda happened in 1992 but whatever).
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trwnh@mastodon.socialreplied to jalcine@todon.eu last edited by
> It's not going to happen in a spectator space, which is what online systems are.
this point alone just instantly crystallized a lot of my thinking about social media and online communications.
mainly i am currently thinking about how to reduce the “spectator” effect, which probably exacerbates a lot of the conflicts that happen in ostensibly public spaces. and i think part of it is the utter lack of context… when you make a Post it’s not even evaluated in context of your microblog.