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my kingdom for an actually functioning first-class social web (and not a bunch of silo clones co-opting the term)

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  • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

    my kingdom for an actually functioning first-class social web (and not a bunch of silo clones co-opting the term)

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    @trwnh@mastodon.social Build it

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      @trwnh@mastodon.social Build it

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      @natalie that's the aim and intent. the hard part is getting everyone to agree on a federated identity system (and to a lesser extent, a standard API for publishing web resources using that identity)

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        @natalie that's the aim and intent. the hard part is getting everyone to agree on a federated identity system (and to a lesser extent, a standard API for publishing web resources using that identity)

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        @trwnh@mastodon.social everyone agreeing is an unattainable goal

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          @trwnh@mastodon.social everyone agreeing is an unattainable goal

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          @natalie to some extent we all converged on using http(s). i think we can do something similar again, or at least i would hope so

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          • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

            honestly you could just maintain a petname / contact-or-address-book type thing using redirects because HTTP lets you do that; you don't need to pre-canonicalize all your links

            say my http server redirects /proxy-to-my-friend-bob/foo -> bob.example/foo

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            i think you could get pretty far with existing technologies like webdav or solid, but i'd really want to see a better way to manage "name to thing" resolution that isn't literally writing an nginx config with location blocks

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            • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

              @natalie to some extent we all converged on using http(s). i think we can do something similar again, or at least i would hope so

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              @trwnh@mastodon.social converging is much different than "getting everyone to agree" tho

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                @trwnh@mastodon.social converging is much different than "getting everyone to agree" tho

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                @natalie admittedly that was poor phrasing, depending on the definitions of "everyone" and "agree"

                in a practical sense i think the closest current option is to assign everyone an FQDN, since that requires the least changes

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                • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

                  @natalie admittedly that was poor phrasing, depending on the definitions of "everyone" and "agree"

                  in a practical sense i think the closest current option is to assign everyone an FQDN, since that requires the least changes

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                  @natalie i'm still trying to come up with a better answer but that's the societal baseline at least

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                    @natalie i'm still trying to come up with a better answer but that's the societal baseline at least

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                    @trwnh@mastodon.social bsky wins again

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                      @trwnh@mastodon.social bsky wins again

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                      @natalie yeah i don’t fully agree with all their decisions but i understand why they made them

                      virtual host support would probably be quite feasible to retrofit onto existing fedi codebases but i doubt it’ll get done anytime soon

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