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I would like to give an update on "federation" on Bluesky.

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  • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

    @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose this would depend entirely on how did:plc and did:kad are defined as did methods. the "eepire" part of plc is cryptographically generated from the did creation request: https://web.plc.directory/spec/v0.1/did-plc

    you sign the operation then hash it then truncate to first 24 characters

    thus any did method that generates the same 24 character id is just an exact clone of plc

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    @trwnh @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose I am proposing inventing a did:kad, or a did:kad2 if did:kad is already being used, and giving it whatever properties would be needed to make it work the way I said.

    And yes, I'm proposing creating an exact clone of plc that doesn't depend on plc.directory.

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      @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose this would depend entirely on how did:plc and did:kad are defined as did methods. the "eepire" part of plc is cryptographically generated from the did creation request: https://web.plc.directory/spec/v0.1/did-plc

      you sign the operation then hash it then truncate to first 24 characters

      thus any did method that generates the same 24 character id is just an exact clone of plc

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      @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose right now the practical consideration for migration is one of the following:

      - you have a did:plc and want to migrate to did:web
      - you have a did:web and want to migrate to another did:web
      - you have a did:web and want to migrate to did:plc

      none of the three are currently possible, you will lose all your follow relations etc even if you replicate the exact same content or serve the exact same data repo

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        @trwnh @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose I am proposing inventing a did:kad, or a did:kad2 if did:kad is already being used, and giving it whatever properties would be needed to make it work the way I said.

        And yes, I'm proposing creating an exact clone of plc that doesn't depend on plc.directory.

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        #43

        @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose i think this effectively amounts to "just use a dht that everyone agrees on"

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        • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

          @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose i think this effectively amounts to "just use a dht that everyone agrees on"

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          #44

          @trwnh yes, that's why in my example I picked the first three letters of "kademlia"

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            @trwnh yes, that's why in my example I picked the first three letters of "kademlia"

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            #45

            @mcc ah, i missed that part ^^;

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            • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

              @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose i think this effectively amounts to "just use a dht that everyone agrees on"

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              @trwnh @mcc @ikuturso @jrose In did:plc:foo, foo is a base32(sha256(creation_request))[0:20] so its a 120-bit hash. I’m not confident of that’s long term security

              Also the did:plc update metadata protocol is fundamentally dependent upon the existence of a central trusted system so you can’t just easily replicate it as a DHT system

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              • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net

                @trwnh @mcc @ikuturso @jrose In did:plc:foo, foo is a base32(sha256(creation_request))[0:20] so its a 120-bit hash. I’m not confident of that’s long term security

                Also the did:plc update metadata protocol is fundamentally dependent upon the existence of a central trusted system so you can’t just easily replicate it as a DHT system

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                #47

                @erincandescent @ikuturso @mcc @jrose i think you could replace it with signed updates but in doing so, you've basically just wrapped around to needing a pki

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                • trwnh@mastodon.socialT trwnh@mastodon.social

                  @erincandescent @ikuturso @mcc @jrose i think you could replace it with signed updates but in doing so, you've basically just wrapped around to needing a pki

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                  @trwnh @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose this raises an important question. Why the fuck are we not just using a pki to start with

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                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                    @trwnh @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose this raises an important question. Why the fuck are we not just using a pki to start with

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                    @mcc @trwnh @ikuturso @jrose did:plc is using a PKI but it also provides ways of doing account recovery that pure-PKI systems fail to acheive

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      @trwnh @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose this raises an important question. Why the fuck are we not just using a pki to start with

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                      #50

                      @mcc @erincandescent @ikuturso @jrose uhhhh

                      "key management hard", basically

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                      • erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netE erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net

                        @mcc @trwnh @ikuturso @jrose did:plc is using a PKI but it also provides ways of doing account recovery that pure-PKI systems fail to acheive

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                        @erincandescent @ikuturso @mcc @jrose isn't plc basically custodial keys?

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