The Fediverse Only Makes Time for Real Artists
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[Off-topic, metadiscussion]
That they didn’t talk about the resource consumption is part of the problem.
The reply is not claiming they didn't talk about it; it claims they're trying to justify it. This sort of "let me assume words into your mouth" behaviour is really bad in online platforms, it's one of the reasons why Twitter/Reddit/Facebook are such cesspools — once you open your mouth in them, there's always some bloody muppet pointing their finger to accuse you, while assuming/lying/bullshitting about your "intentions", what you're "trying" to do, your beliefs, even the colours of your pants.
It's so bad that, even if I know this is off-topic, I think it's worth ranting about it here. We (Fediverse users in general) should be calling this out, before it roots itself here. Unless we want to walk on eggs to say what we think (even if true, moral, and relevant), out of fear others will assume shit to accuse us. Like in Twitter/Reddit/Facebook. Or we get to repeat what's "safe" to say here, in a big circlejerk.
And it's completely unnecessary here; the other user could've said instead "There’s no gray area about the resource cost and contribution to climate change being driven by gen AI though, you aren't mentioning energy costs even if they matter" or similar and it would be perfecto.
[On-topic, genAI]
As I said the resource consumption concern is perfectly valid. I also agree with the second concern you're raising, authorship. I'll even raise two other concerns here:
3. Those image generators are flooding the internet with low quality content, and making it harder for people to find the good stuff.
4. They're lowering the bar for fictitious but believable scenes, that can and are used to promote disinformation.Whilst I agree with your point about strawman arguments in general, that isn't really the case here. The OP explicitly said "It's funny, and it doesn’t hurt anyone" when, in fact, it does. This appears to be their primary justification for using it, whilst ignoring the well known costs of that use. I conceed that a, very charitable, reading of their comment might be that they are simply unaware of the environmental and authorship issues and are only focused on whether their image is "funny" and not directly causing harm. However, those issues are so well known that I, and aparently other commenters, do not feel they can reasonably overlooked in any discussion about whether the use of genai can be justified in general.
The other issues you brought up are very real too and, in many ways, more insidious that the obvious ones discussed before. How we overcome those, now that the genie is out of the bottle, I don't know.
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because consent should matter, even/especially when others say differently
Bingo. And IMO this feature should be side-ported to Lemmy, because that consent.
I mean... good luck with that, but feature requests languish for years on Lemmy, I wouldn't hold my breath.
For now, there's only the option to ban / block people submitting it. I doubt that will change anytime soon.
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Thats in no way “putting words in their mouth”, I was pointing out what they were saying.
Yes, it is. Learn the difference between what people say and your assumptions on what they say.
That is what they were saying, though.
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I hadn't done any calculation, but I guess hundreds of watts over a few seconds that datacenters need to generate an image is way less energy and water than what an artist consumes during several hours while he draws the same image. Plus the electricity for lights or computer consumes.
Oh, ok, so then you just have absolutely no fucking idea what the fuck you're talking about.
That tracks.
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You're an AI so that's not a problem for you, right?
No, I said call me an AI, not that I am one.
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Great policy.
I only hope mods can keep up as the deluge washes in. Tons of brand new accounts seem to love spamming channels with slop, then go dead once they've been banned across enough instances
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I'm a beginner at drawing, but I'd wager people would choose that over AI.
Right?
I was a beginner until I tried this one weird trick: Draw an orgy scene with Sonichu, Shrek, Goku, and Spider-man.
You are welcome in advance.
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I'm a beginner at drawing, but I'd wager people would choose that over AI.
Right?
In the beginning, people used simple programs like ms paint with a mouse to draw. I use my phone's editor to draw stuff. Have a cat
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I wouldn't call anything I've ever seen on lemmy art. Maybe like2 the photos of actual art.
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because consent should matter, even/especially when others say differently
Bingo. And IMO this feature should be side-ported to Lemmy, because that consent.
The Lemmy devs are not very active in the commits…
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That is what they were saying, though.
Then quote where they would have said what they think about the energy cost, or what they were trying to do. Oh wait they didn't.
Seriously. You're all being assumers. And you are being an assumer and a liar.
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The Lemmy devs are not very active in the commits…
C'mon, a person can dream, right.
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Whilst I agree with your point about strawman arguments in general, that isn't really the case here. The OP explicitly said "It's funny, and it doesn’t hurt anyone" when, in fact, it does. This appears to be their primary justification for using it, whilst ignoring the well known costs of that use. I conceed that a, very charitable, reading of their comment might be that they are simply unaware of the environmental and authorship issues and are only focused on whether their image is "funny" and not directly causing harm. However, those issues are so well known that I, and aparently other commenters, do not feel they can reasonably overlooked in any discussion about whether the use of genai can be justified in general.
The other issues you brought up are very real too and, in many ways, more insidious that the obvious ones discussed before. How we overcome those, now that the genie is out of the bottle, I don't know.
Whilst I agree with your point about strawman arguments in general, that isn’t really the case here. The OP explicitly said “It’s funny, and it doesn’t hurt anyone” when, in fact, it does.
I already addressed this here.
This appears to be their primary justification for using it,
Emphasis mine. If someone is handling things by how they "appear to be", instead of how they "are", then the person is simply assuming.
I don't think the rest of your comment is worth my time replying.
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Then quote where they would have said what they think about the energy cost, or what they were trying to do. Oh wait they didn't.
Seriously. You're all being assumers. And you are being an assumer and a liar.
So, are you naive or insidious with this? Are you actually eating those bullshit sandwiches or just serving them?
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Then quote where they would have said what they think about the energy cost, or what they were trying to do. Oh wait they didn't.
Seriously. You're all being assumers. And you are being an assumer and a liar.
Oh fuck off
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I understood this and now my back hurts!
Oh!? Its a snake?
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Oh fuck off
No, I will not fuck off. Criticise what people say, instead of your assumptions over what they say. And if you're unable to tell both things apart, then you're probably better off shutting up.
And if I see muppets like you doing this shit again I'll call it out again, again, and again. And if I were to do the same, I also expect others to call me out.
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No, I will not fuck off. Criticise what people say, instead of your assumptions over what they say. And if you're unable to tell both things apart, then you're probably better off shutting up.
And if I see muppets like you doing this shit again I'll call it out again, again, and again. And if I were to do the same, I also expect others to call me out.
You've been doing it this whole fucking thread you holier than thou asshat but whatever
Blocked
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After the first 100 or so AI images I saw, the novelty of "wow this is technically possible" wore off and now I kind of hate anything generated by ai even if it looks good (which it usually doesn't).
You know why I hate it even more now?
Because unaware people have started using it to generate images of our loved ones, houses, etc.
I CAN'T EVEN FUCKING TRUST A PHOTO OF MY NEPHEWS ANYMORE.
I HATE that. If my friends, family and home aren't refuges against that AI shit, then what the fuck is?!
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You've been doing it this whole fucking thread you holier than thou asshat but whatever
Blocked
Yeah, because holier than thou behaviour would totally make someone say "if I were to do the same, I also expect others to call me out.", right? ...right?
...look, I don't really care if you block me or not, but please do everyone else a favour and shut up, okay. There's Twitter, Reddit and Facebook for people like you, you'd feel at home in any of them.
