So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites?
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@elfin I know a lot of those, have tried them.out through the years, and am still testing Grav for my personal site. I heard the other day that Drupal might be turning to the Magic Eightball machine as well, if so that's off the list.
The crunch points for alternatives are a) the ability to migrate an old, multi-user WP site without breaking too many historical URLs and feeds, and b) needing a somewhat familiar backend for most of those contributors to even post stuff... @davidgerard
@haverholm @davidgerard I have problems with the later Drupals ... that's why we forked D7 into backdrop. Also I don't like installing stuff with composer because I'm lazy. D11 is a no-go for me. D9-D10 are OK (still composer.
Drupal is rather friendly with WP data. Importing is trivial.
But Drupal is programmatically The UNIX Way which gives a good module ecosystem, and comes with the highest learning curve in CMS Land.
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@haverholm @davidgerard
"What if, from the end-user to the plugin developer, they could take for granted that there’s an AI model accessible to me by virtue of being in WordPress?" he writes. "What kinds of things would people use it for? What amazing things would people create that are built on the reliable presence of a capable LLM?"These are great questions that they should find answers to before trying to launch this shit.
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@haverholm @davidgerard
"What if, from the end-user to the plugin developer, they could take for granted that there’s an AI model accessible to me by virtue of being in WordPress?" he writes. "What kinds of things would people use it for? What amazing things would people create that are built on the reliable presence of a capable LLM?"These are great questions that they should find answers to before trying to launch this shit.
@jargoggles There are also three major, unsupported assumptions in that last question:
"amazing things"
"reliable presence"
"capable LLM"They might more realistically be replaced with "bullshit", "hallucinations", and "magic 8-ball".
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@manualdousuario @haverholm @davidgerard Anyone have a link to a good noob guide to options for posting from a WP install to a mastodon account... like a way to make a dedicated category that perhaps doesn't get included in the home page or rss feed (can do that with functions.php already)?
Or, does anyone have a self-hostable masto version, that can work within the scale of resource use of WP, perhaps with no global feed, just for a single user to read and post?
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So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress
I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.
#wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
cc @davidgerard@haverholm @davidgerard nobody asked for Gutenberg and nobody asked for this
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So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress
I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.
#wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
cc @davidgerard@haverholm @davidgerard ClassicPress, the fork of WP, doesn't have all these AI features
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@manualdousuario @haverholm @davidgerard Anyone have a link to a good noob guide to options for posting from a WP install to a mastodon account... like a way to make a dedicated category that perhaps doesn't get included in the home page or rss feed (can do that with functions.php already)?
Or, does anyone have a self-hostable masto version, that can work within the scale of resource use of WP, perhaps with no global feed, just for a single user to read and post?
@metaning Read the room, please. @manualdousuario @davidgerard
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@metaning Read the room, please. @manualdousuario @davidgerard
@haverholm @manualdousuario @davidgerard Yes, it contains people who don't like the new WP direction (and are talking about alternate fediverse WP posting bridges). I'm still on 4.x and probably going to migrate to ClassicPress, because Gutenberg is a flaming bag of excrement. Hence why asking.
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@haverholm @davidgerard ClassicPress, the fork of WP, doesn't have all these AI features
@dalereardon And I mentioned Classicpress above, asking if it's compatible with the WP-ActivityPub add-on. @davidgerard
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@haverholm @manualdousuario @davidgerard Yes, it contains people who don't like the new WP direction (and are talking about alternate fediverse WP posting bridges). I'm still on 4.x and probably going to migrate to ClassicPress, because Gutenberg is a flaming bag of excrement. Hence why asking.
@metaning @manualdousuario @davidgerard And I reply, again, this is not the right thread to ask.
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So, given WP is willing to sell all its users down the river for some quick "AI" buzz, what fedi-enabled alternatives exist for human-centric websites? https://www.therepository.email/wordpress-ai-team-outlines-vision-for-ai-as-a-fundamental-part-of-wordpress
I know of write.as, plume. They're too ascetic to match the brief. ClassicPress could be an option, provided the WP-ActivityPub add-on works with that.
#wordpress #ActivityPub #CMS #noAI #fediverse
cc @davidgerard@haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/ -
@haverholm I'm glad you asked because I was wondering the same thing. Yesterday I posted about how infuriating it was to spend hours doing normal tasks and after I finally got a blog post up, Wordpress sent me a questionnaire asking how they could improve it. I told them to get rid of AI and read Ed Zitron and Cory Doctorow. Or I suggested they offer the old non-AI version as a option. Here's something I wrote about AI:
proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11the-microsoft-doom-loop/@nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.
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@julian Could be. How far along is their fediverse implementation?
Also, do you have experience migrating large-ish sites from one to the other? Because I'm involved with one group blog that would need to have 15 years or so worth of posts and podcast series moved from an ancient WP install...
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@nspsegal I think there's a slash missing in your URL: https://proustsaidthat.blog/2025/05/11/the-microsoft-doom-loop/ Giving it a read now.
@nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.
Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.
See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself
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@nspsegal Not a bad piece. I try to avoid Microsoft as much as possible, but they deliver infrastructure for my day job. It has been so depressing to follow how they just forced Copilot on *their paying customers*.
Suddenly the entire educational institution has implemented guidelines and advice on how students and staff can use "AI" in their work. Not guidelines *against* it, because it has been normalised through the software the workplace provides.
See also https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/ai-is-destroying-the-university-and-learning-itself
@nspsegal Me, I dodge the bullet by using Linux and open source software. So far, LibreOffice hasn't drunk the "AI" kool aid.
Wordpress straying down that path is not a great sign of things to come, but I remain hopeful of a not entirely idiotic future.
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@haverholm @julian
It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP. -
@haverholm @julian
It's indeed usable as CMS. There's of course not that supply of themes and fancy stuff like for WP. -
@haverholm @julian
I saw some amazing sites people have built on their Hubs.BTW ... what is the magic that this thread is located in the activitypub.space #nodebb forum? Didn't the conversation start with a common Mastodon post?
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@haverholm @julian
I saw some amazing sites people have built on their Hubs.BTW ... what is the magic that this thread is located in the activitypub.space #nodebb forum? Didn't the conversation start with a common Mastodon post?
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