I mean...
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The Wikipedia page for the fediverse describes a den of iniquity - Lemmy.World
Call me crazy, but I a) think the fediverse probably doesn’t have more ‘toxic content’, harmful and violent content, and child sexual abuse material then other platforms like X, Facebook, Meta, YouTube etc, and b) actively like the fediverse because of that. But after a few hours carefully drafting and sourcing an edit to make it clear that no, the fediverse isn’t unusual in social media circles for having a lot of toxic content, I realised that the entire ‘fediverse bad’ section was added by 1 editor in 2 days. And the editor has made an awful lot [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RhymeWrens] of edits on pages all themed around porn (hundreds of edits on the pages of porn stars), suicide, mass killings, mass shootings, Jews, torture techniques, conspiracy theories, child abuse, various forms of sexual and other exploitation, ‘zoosadism’, and then pages with titles like ‘bad monkey’ that seemed reasonably innocent until I actually clicked on them to see what they were and, well. I decided to stop using the internet for a while. I’ve learned my lesson trying to change Wikipedia edits written by people like that - they tend to have a tight social circle of people who can make the internet a very unpleasant place for anyone suggesting maybe claims like ‘an opinion poll indicated that most people in Britain would prefer to live next to a sewage plant than a Muslim’ should maybe not on Wikipedia on the thin evidence of paywalled link from a Geocities page written by, apparently, a putrid cesspit personified. I thought I’d learned my lesson about trusting Wikipedia. It just makes me so angry that most people’s main source of information on the fediverse contains a massive chunk written solely by a guy who spends most of his time making minor grammar edits to pages about school shootings, collections of pages about black people who were sexually assaulted and murdered, etc, and that these people control the narrative on Wikipedia by means of ensuring any polite critics’ are overcome with the urge to spend the rest of the day showering and disinfecting everything.
(lemmy.world)
But it's what makes the FediVerse fun
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if you consider yourself to be in kinship with Hexbear bc of the trans connection then in that case I completely understand your response, and just as readily disagree with it. Fwiw, Ada would as well, I am pretty sure?
Ada thinks Hexbear is a trans instance and it's rly rly weird. Any time I talk to those guys I think they're gonna call me a slur
Based on user polling they're over half non-cis, most of the moderation team is trans. In the broader Lemmy its way more likely I get misgendered or called a degenerate roach.
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I'm rly glad Hexbear defederated Blahaj because I just don't have the bandwidth to deal with those people most of the time. I always feel unsafe around them as a trans woman, and it's not just the mansplaining and the pig poop balls
I always feel unsafe around them as a trans woman
can you elaborate, because as a trans woman I've not felt unsafe at all.
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I always feel unsafe around them as a trans woman
can you elaborate, because as a trans woman I've not felt unsafe at all.
Any time I said something they disagreed with on a shared community, I got dogpiled with "um, ackshually" style responses or even called a CIA agent. It felt like a hostile and unforgiving place, where I had to measure up to their standards or I'd just be punished. It was easy to feel like I'd be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn't like. I stayed quiet about that sort of stuff when I saw them in a thread because I didn't feel like I could be open, I stuck to things that were less personal to me.
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Any time I said something they disagreed with on a shared community, I got dogpiled with "um, ackshually" style responses or even called a CIA agent. It felt like a hostile and unforgiving place, where I had to measure up to their standards or I'd just be punished. It was easy to feel like I'd be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn't like. I stayed quiet about that sort of stuff when I saw them in a thread because I didn't feel like I could be open, I stuck to things that were less personal to me.
It was easy to feel like I’d be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn’t like.
Weird, because they ban people for that. I've been called plenty of hostile shit voicing my experiences as a trans woman in shared lemmy spaces too, and it's not from hexbear users.
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The Wikipedia page for the fediverse describes a den of iniquity - Lemmy.World
Call me crazy, but I a) think the fediverse probably doesn’t have more ‘toxic content’, harmful and violent content, and child sexual abuse material then other platforms like X, Facebook, Meta, YouTube etc, and b) actively like the fediverse because of that. But after a few hours carefully drafting and sourcing an edit to make it clear that no, the fediverse isn’t unusual in social media circles for having a lot of toxic content, I realised that the entire ‘fediverse bad’ section was added by 1 editor in 2 days. And the editor has made an awful lot [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RhymeWrens] of edits on pages all themed around porn (hundreds of edits on the pages of porn stars), suicide, mass killings, mass shootings, Jews, torture techniques, conspiracy theories, child abuse, various forms of sexual and other exploitation, ‘zoosadism’, and then pages with titles like ‘bad monkey’ that seemed reasonably innocent until I actually clicked on them to see what they were and, well. I decided to stop using the internet for a while. I’ve learned my lesson trying to change Wikipedia edits written by people like that - they tend to have a tight social circle of people who can make the internet a very unpleasant place for anyone suggesting maybe claims like ‘an opinion poll indicated that most people in Britain would prefer to live next to a sewage plant than a Muslim’ should maybe not on Wikipedia on the thin evidence of paywalled link from a Geocities page written by, apparently, a putrid cesspit personified. I thought I’d learned my lesson about trusting Wikipedia. It just makes me so angry that most people’s main source of information on the fediverse contains a massive chunk written solely by a guy who spends most of his time making minor grammar edits to pages about school shootings, collections of pages about black people who were sexually assaulted and murdered, etc, and that these people control the narrative on Wikipedia by means of ensuring any polite critics’ are overcome with the urge to spend the rest of the day showering and disinfecting everything.
(lemmy.world)
Seems the OOP is fake. I just checked through the Wikipedia page and can't find where it says that
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Any time I said something they disagreed with on a shared community, I got dogpiled with "um, ackshually" style responses or even called a CIA agent. It felt like a hostile and unforgiving place, where I had to measure up to their standards or I'd just be punished. It was easy to feel like I'd be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn't like. I stayed quiet about that sort of stuff when I saw them in a thread because I didn't feel like I could be open, I stuck to things that were less personal to me.
sounds like the problem wasn't with the fact you are a trans woman but rather that you have reactionary beliefs that were challenged
lemmy.blahaj.zone defederated from hexbear over a year ago so what shared space?
On Blahaj and 196 - Hexbear
Due to multiple factors, such as unaddressed ableist removals [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/3df0e4c7-bb64-4c00-bbdb-5c753018895c.jpeg?format=webp] from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/97e9abd7-e8be-499e-8db7-7a7d5d1e2762.webp], no-quarter rules regarding our users [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/8dc37487-d36b-4a55-9519-c3f8bb4fcae6.png], leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team [https://hexbear.net/post/361826], and a general lack of initiative to punish these behaviors, we have come to the conclusion that the 196 community on lemmy.blahaj.zone has made the fediverse an unsafe space for our queer, disabled, neurodivergent, non-western, and other marginalized comrades on this forum, and we will be defederating from lemmy.blahaj.zone until we can be confident that this will not continue to be an issue. We have attempted to make good-faith parley with both the instance admin and the comm moderators, but we've reached a point which we feel that until these behaviors are addressed by instance administration, we can no longer continue to federate in good-faith while our users are being actively invalidated by a small-but-vocal portion of the forum. Once we are confident that these behaviors have ceased and are unlikely to continue, we are more-than-happy to refederate in the name of queer solidarity. Thanks for bearing with us :07:
(hexbear.net)
moss the same person who fucked the first 196 community here is the same person that fucked the relations between hexbear and blahaj
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sounds like the problem wasn't with the fact you are a trans woman but rather that you have reactionary beliefs that were challenged
lemmy.blahaj.zone defederated from hexbear over a year ago so what shared space?
On Blahaj and 196 - Hexbear
Due to multiple factors, such as unaddressed ableist removals [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/3df0e4c7-bb64-4c00-bbdb-5c753018895c.jpeg?format=webp] from the /c/196 moderators, defense of chasers [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/97e9abd7-e8be-499e-8db7-7a7d5d1e2762.webp], no-quarter rules regarding our users [https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/8dc37487-d36b-4a55-9519-c3f8bb4fcae6.png], leakage of good-faith DMs from our admin team [https://hexbear.net/post/361826], and a general lack of initiative to punish these behaviors, we have come to the conclusion that the 196 community on lemmy.blahaj.zone has made the fediverse an unsafe space for our queer, disabled, neurodivergent, non-western, and other marginalized comrades on this forum, and we will be defederating from lemmy.blahaj.zone until we can be confident that this will not continue to be an issue. We have attempted to make good-faith parley with both the instance admin and the comm moderators, but we've reached a point which we feel that until these behaviors are addressed by instance administration, we can no longer continue to federate in good-faith while our users are being actively invalidated by a small-but-vocal portion of the forum. Once we are confident that these behaviors have ceased and are unlikely to continue, we are more-than-happy to refederate in the name of queer solidarity. Thanks for bearing with us :07:
(hexbear.net)
moss the same person who fucked the first 196 community here is the same person that fucked the relations between hexbear and blahaj
Okay, so you know how a trans woman just explained why she felt unsafe and you called her a reactionary for it? That's the kind of thing I felt unsafe for
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it really sucks that the largest trans communities aren't federated.
I really resent the cis people showing up to spread obvious lies. it was hexbear that first defedded blahaj because of the toxic behavior primarily from the 196 mods.
You know what? Fair.
I don't like Hexbear, but r/196 was a toxic cesspool on Reddit, and I've always tried to stay clear of the Lemmy version because of it
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Looking at instances such as Hexbear and lemmygrad.ml... are they wrong though? And many other instances have given Hexbear a platform to promote and host i.e. spread their content across the wide Fediverse.
We are a tankie bar, plain and simple. Yes you can block it, but most instances have not historically gone very far in that regard, from the perspective of a new Reddit refugee, e.g. a centrist, religious, American who may not like what is going on but also is put off by calls for things such as outright murder.
If we want to expand, we need to get better at labeling the spaces so as to make people with a wider (aka more diverse) set of backgrounds comfortable here. We won't though, instead preferring to simply claim that everything that "in-group" says is correct (and often not allowed to be questioned, though mod & admin tolerances varies wildly) and everything that "out-group" says is 100% wrong and everyone is "stupid" for believing such.
yo come on over to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
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Any time I said something they disagreed with on a shared community, I got dogpiled with "um, ackshually" style responses or even called a CIA agent. It felt like a hostile and unforgiving place, where I had to measure up to their standards or I'd just be punished. It was easy to feel like I'd be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn't like. I stayed quiet about that sort of stuff when I saw them in a thread because I didn't feel like I could be open, I stuck to things that were less personal to me.
It's funny how their reaction to you calling them out on dogpilling is to... dogpile on you
lol
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The Wikipedia page for the fediverse describes a den of iniquity - Lemmy.World
Call me crazy, but I a) think the fediverse probably doesn’t have more ‘toxic content’, harmful and violent content, and child sexual abuse material then other platforms like X, Facebook, Meta, YouTube etc, and b) actively like the fediverse because of that. But after a few hours carefully drafting and sourcing an edit to make it clear that no, the fediverse isn’t unusual in social media circles for having a lot of toxic content, I realised that the entire ‘fediverse bad’ section was added by 1 editor in 2 days. And the editor has made an awful lot [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RhymeWrens] of edits on pages all themed around porn (hundreds of edits on the pages of porn stars), suicide, mass killings, mass shootings, Jews, torture techniques, conspiracy theories, child abuse, various forms of sexual and other exploitation, ‘zoosadism’, and then pages with titles like ‘bad monkey’ that seemed reasonably innocent until I actually clicked on them to see what they were and, well. I decided to stop using the internet for a while. I’ve learned my lesson trying to change Wikipedia edits written by people like that - they tend to have a tight social circle of people who can make the internet a very unpleasant place for anyone suggesting maybe claims like ‘an opinion poll indicated that most people in Britain would prefer to live next to a sewage plant than a Muslim’ should maybe not on Wikipedia on the thin evidence of paywalled link from a Geocities page written by, apparently, a putrid cesspit personified. I thought I’d learned my lesson about trusting Wikipedia. It just makes me so angry that most people’s main source of information on the fediverse contains a massive chunk written solely by a guy who spends most of his time making minor grammar edits to pages about school shootings, collections of pages about black people who were sexually assaulted and murdered, etc, and that these people control the narrative on Wikipedia by means of ensuring any polite critics’ are overcome with the urge to spend the rest of the day showering and disinfecting everything.
(lemmy.world)
Wikipedia certainly isn't wrong, the Fediverse is filled with so much political extremism, made worse by the Tankie Developers
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works to see more of how widespread tankies and their extreme bigotry and violent rhetoric spreads across the fediverse