They Have No Idea How Fun The Water Park Is!
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It's shutting down, but the fediverse is healing around it. Piefed.social has seen a huge influx, and people are moving accounts slowly but surely.
Lemm.ee shutting down isn't ideal from a service stand point, but it is showing how robust the fediverse is. It's acting like the internet used to, routing around damage to continue to work. That's amazing, and hopeful.
My Lemmy experience has been better than Reddit ever was, but that honestly sounds like cope. Vast swaths of people couldn't even be bothered to figure out an instance to pick, now the few that bothered are having to migrate. I think this will be a big net loss for Lemmy.
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Half the success of Lemmy is not becoming the three ring circus of Reddit.
How long will it last? Idk. I've already seen people complaining about AI bots blowing up their instances with requests, mining for data. I've already heard complaints of bots manipulating votes on certain subs and accounts.
If that gets worse, Lemmy gets worse.
But for the time being, we're mostly just a large community of terminally online nerds doing our things and sharing amongst one another, which is what Reddit was supposed to be about.
Why mine for data when you can just set up your own instance?
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Decentralization is more adaptable and brings resilience.
It is easier to compromise one instance, but it is a lot harder to compromise all of them. Meanwhile for centralized social media, if the one is compromised all is compromised.
As evident with the owner of X trying to pressure Steve Huffman to burn down Reddit as well.
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I come here because I am fairly positive most are actual humans. A lot of the real idiots on reddit are bots looking to increase engagement.
People really do seem much more down to earth and talkative here.
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Could happen. Imagine the hosting costs of .world exploding if it becomes too big a target.
I think it only costs lw $300 a month to host their instance.
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I think it is typical human behavior to congregate to large groups.
Especially to the 2 big groups in the area.
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I think it only costs lw $300 a month to host their instance.
What if they need to hire to fight spam? What if they need to pay for legal?
Just saying, it can get complicated real quick.
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People really do seem much more down to earth and talkative here.
I would agree with the second half. I see a lot of insane takes on economics that are driven by hopes and dreams rather than reality.
The real advantage is I suspect if I reach out to an instance owner about problematic material on their instance they will address it whereas Reddit has gone out of theor way to make it harder to let reddit know about problematic material eg non-consensual sexual materials.
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Half the success of Lemmy is not becoming the three ring circus of Reddit.
How long will it last? Idk. I've already seen people complaining about AI bots blowing up their instances with requests, mining for data. I've already heard complaints of bots manipulating votes on certain subs and accounts.
If that gets worse, Lemmy gets worse.
But for the time being, we're mostly just a large community of terminally online nerds doing our things and sharing amongst one another, which is what Reddit was supposed to be about.
To me, one of the really big issues with Reddit is moderators/admins on power trips who randomly ban users for no clear reason.
Sadly, this is very much an issue on Lemmy too. Just read a post about some dude who got banned from some community for downvoting the wrong post.
But at least you can always create a new account on a different instance.
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I think it only costs lw $300 a month to host their instance.
Not exactly cheap for a project without intrinsic funding. From what I can tell, all funding they have is donations.
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We might eventually have to get more exclusive, or have separate "public" and "private" modes/communities, maybe like how masto handles post visibility...
I'm not sure if the open internet can ever be fully trusted, especially now with roving packs of predatory crawlers scraping for genuine human OC for their plagiarism machines.
I doubt they're crawling stuff over AP, you usually need a HTTP signature for that, and no bot is going to bother with those.
Most crawling would just be spamming the web interface.
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The main problem with Lemmy, is I see the same 20-50 posts for 3-4 days until there is a new front page...
I fucking hate Reddit, but the front-page is always fresh, so I always end up going back....
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The main problem with Lemmy, is I see the same 20-50 posts for 3-4 days until there is a new front page...
I fucking hate Reddit, but the front-page is always fresh, so I always end up going back....
Nah, Reddit front pages didn't few fresh since 2021 for me, and recently it became worse by the bots posting the same post i saw 5-10 days early again.
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Is it still Lemmy, or is PieFed close to overtaking?
Has anyone come up with a name for the corner of the Fediverse that includes Lemmy, mbin, and PieFed?
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The main problem with Lemmy, is I see the same 20-50 posts for 3-4 days until there is a new front page...
I fucking hate Reddit, but the front-page is always fresh, so I always end up going back....
Sorting by top day and hiding read posts gives me more than enough "fresh content." If you're craving more, maybe that's just the Reddit addiction.
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I doubt they're crawling stuff over AP, you usually need a HTTP signature for that, and no bot is going to bother with those.
Most crawling would just be spamming the web interface.
If by HTTP signature you mean an SSL certificate signed by an authority, those do not present a burden for bots to obtain any longer.
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most posts on the piefed feed are posted by lemmings so nahh
but we can be successful collectively
but we can be successful collectively
that's the spirit!
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If by HTTP signature you mean an SSL certificate signed by an authority, those do not present a burden for bots to obtain any longer.
I do not, ActivityPub uses HTTP signatures to make sure messages and requests from other servers are legit,
Essentially, it adds a "signature" header which contains a link to a users public key, a list of headers in the message and a signed hash of all the headers and the request.
There's a better explaination here: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/security/
A delicated bot to scrape ActivityPub posts is possible, but generic bots shouldn't work. If a delicated bot is made, people can block its keys or server anyway.
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Has anyone come up with a name for the corner of the Fediverse that includes Lemmy, mbin, and PieFed?
Yes, "threadiverse"
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I do not, ActivityPub uses HTTP signatures to make sure messages and requests from other servers are legit,
Essentially, it adds a "signature" header which contains a link to a users public key, a list of headers in the message and a signed hash of all the headers and the request.
There's a better explaination here: https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/security/
A delicated bot to scrape ActivityPub posts is possible, but generic bots shouldn't work. If a delicated bot is made, people can block its keys or server anyway.
Sorry, forgot to whom I was speaking.
