i think an ideal markup or data text format ought to be expressive enough while simultaneously as easy as possible for humans to write manually. if you need tooling to have a good time then you've already lost

good formats: turtle, toml (i literally don't have to think, don't make me think)
eh formats: markdown, json, yaml (mostly okay except for complex structures)
meh formats: html (can be overly verbose to write by hand, tooling makes it better)
bad formats: xml (sorry, it's just a pain to write and it's not entirely clear when things should be nested elements or attributes)

this post is intended more as appreciation for turtle and toml, less as hating on xml

@trwnh (IMO AsciiDoc does a much better job than markdown at basically everything. MD is too limited and basically requires you to drop to HTML for anything beyond basics)

@oblomov dropping to html is fine i guess but i’m more bothered by unexpected parsing sometimes depending on the flavour

@trwnh oh that's really frustrating. (Bonus for AsciiDoc, it's better defined.)

@trwnh i'm writing my resume in pandoc markdown, should i do it in toml instead? /s

@penryn write your resume in brainfuck

@oblomov i looked into asciidoc and i like its no-indentation approach to syntax, but dislike that its only real implementation is in ruby and also it seems to have a problem with underscores in links due to the lack of a grammar parser.