Minutes from 3 October 2024 WG Meeting
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to trwnh@mastodon.social last edited by
@trwnh (same braincell!)
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trwnh@mastodon.socialreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent side note it is cool that browser.pub handles redirects seamlessly
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to trwnh@mastodon.social last edited by
@trwnh yeah i couldn’t remember the flag to pass to curl
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@trwnh side note: this subthread is a totally perfect illustation of why being able to “fork” the thread would be useful.
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trwnh@mastodon.socialreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent right! it's not about replies at all, you can reply to something in a different thread, so it's wrong to define a "thread" as equivalent to a "reply tree"
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julian@community.nodebb.orgreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net after we deal with conversational contexts we should probably define forking threads. I've been thinking on that a bit recently.
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@julian @erincandescent likewise. my initial thought was using Move to signal something like "these 6 posts were moved to another thread by a moderator"
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julian@community.nodebb.orgreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net @trwnh@mastodon.social Right, it gets a little confusing when implementors inherit
context
from the objects they're replying to (or maybe the root node?), but that's exactly what 7888 tries to codify/demystify.But Akkoma's use of
context
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thisismissem@hachyderm.ioreplied to trwnh@mastodon.social last edited by
@trwnh @julian @erincandescent I guess there you'd need to look at Move and make sure the target/actor/objects weren't Actors but where other objects?
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darius@friend.campreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent @trwnh so by my reckoning, Mastodon and Misskey don't use context, akkoma does... ugh, I need to add more sources to my observatory
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@darius @evan @julian side note: Akkoma also emits a “conversation” property containing the same URL, which is JSON-LD mapped to
http://ostatus.org#conversation
. This is because Mastodon will pass-through theconversation
property to replies, but doesn’t know aboutcontext
. When Mastodon generates a Conversation tag (e.g. when its absent from the parent post), it stuffs a tag URI liketag:cosocial.ca,2024-10-04:objectId=26829720:objectType=Conversation
into it. This is visible in evan’s earlier postside side note: “conversation” is misdeclared as a “@value” and not “@id” property in Mastodon’s context. Oh well.
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to darius@friend.camp last edited by
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@julian @erincandescent if you want your post to be in the same context as the thing you're replying to, then it's inherited from the thing you're replying to.
7888 also describes what could happen if you decide to set your own context, or set *no* context. in fact, this is how you would self-fork a topic.
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erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.netreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
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trwnh@mastodon.socialreplied to thisismissem@hachyderm.io last edited by
@thisismissem @julian @erincandescent yeah, honestly the existing use of Move for migrations is really unfortunate because you're saying "i moved myself from myself to another person" which makes no sense. it should have been defined some other way (Migrate activity? intransitive, takes `actor` and `target` but no `object`). Move makes more sense to manipulate collections (and that's the example provided in AS2-Vocab)
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thisismissem@hachyderm.ioreplied to trwnh@mastodon.social last edited by
@trwnh @julian @erincandescent agreed, another FEP?
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trwnh@mastodon.socialreplied to erincandescent@akko.erincandescent.net last edited by
@erincandescent @darius Lemmy uses `audience` instead, referring to the Lemmy community, which is a Group actor, and you're expected to look through the `outbox` and reconstruct replies on your own. the only hint you have is that the root of a reply tree is represented by an Announce Create Page.
good luck
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