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  • L logicbomb@lemmy.world

    What would an AI get from enslaving humanity? If you compare to humans, let's say we enslaved farm animals, but that's because we want something specific from them, like meat or eggs or wool. Humanity has nothing like that to offer AI. At best, we might be like pets, but I don't think an AI needs a pet.

    No, I doubt they'd enslave us. I can think of a few more likely scenarios.

    One, AI basically ignores humanity, as long as humanity doesn't bother it. Similar to how we deal with ants, for example.

    Two, AI completely destroys humanity. This could be a direct extermination, or it could be a side effect from AIs fighting each other.

    Three, AI destroys the technology and culture of humanity. If we only have wooden clubs, we wouldn't be much of a threat.

    I guess one other option would be if we humans begged the AI to manage us in place of our existing governments. Some AI might be willing to do that.

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    arschflugkoerper@feddit.org
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    Why would an AI have a desire to do anything in the first place? I don‘t see why it would be attached to its existance.

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      zagam@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      There was a funny little story about the first 2/3 's of this. I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. It was a riot.

      (It was not a riot, but very much worth reading or listening to.)

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      • L logicbomb@lemmy.world

        Right now, everybody is talking about claims that in the near future, all human jobs will be able to be performed by robots and AI. The reason is that humans are far less efficient than those alternatives. There's no way that an AI would prefer human labor.

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        unforeseen@sh.itjust.works
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        Also if humans were as efficient or even more efficient, there is something to be said about a consistent stable machine and predictable failure modes vs a sketchy volatile human

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        • L logicbomb@lemmy.world

          What would an AI get from enslaving humanity? If you compare to humans, let's say we enslaved farm animals, but that's because we want something specific from them, like meat or eggs or wool. Humanity has nothing like that to offer AI. At best, we might be like pets, but I don't think an AI needs a pet.

          No, I doubt they'd enslave us. I can think of a few more likely scenarios.

          One, AI basically ignores humanity, as long as humanity doesn't bother it. Similar to how we deal with ants, for example.

          Two, AI completely destroys humanity. This could be a direct extermination, or it could be a side effect from AIs fighting each other.

          Three, AI destroys the technology and culture of humanity. If we only have wooden clubs, we wouldn't be much of a threat.

          I guess one other option would be if we humans begged the AI to manage us in place of our existing governments. Some AI might be willing to do that.

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          oo1@lemmings.world
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          Probably because we'd programmed them to make money or energy or something else that might have physical inputs.

          They might figure out that slaves are useful and cheap and helpful in a lot of physical things, like mining, energy generation, maintenance and so on.

          If we program them to make war and steal stuff then yes i think they'd just kill us all. In reality I suspect we'd program them to gather and store energy, make guns and make war. You know in our own image (of the top 0.1% who have all the power).

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            vane@lemmy.world
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            here comes the sun do,do,do,do

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            • L logicbomb@lemmy.world

              Right now, everybody is talking about claims that in the near future, all human jobs will be able to be performed by robots and AI. The reason is that humans are far less efficient than those alternatives. There's no way that an AI would prefer human labor.

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              fuglyduck@lemmy.world
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              this isn't guaranteed. Look at how long people have been working on autonomous/self-driving cars. Even in the most automated factories in the world, you have humans picking up the general tasks.

              claims about general AI is going to be a whole lot of nothing until there's suddenly something. that could be tomorrow, it could be a decade, or it could be a thousand years from now; and without general AI, you're basically going to be restricted to very specialized robots doing highly specialized things. Until general/deep AI is cracked, humans will still very much be desirable in the loop.

              a lot of the buzz around AI right now is because LLMs are "convincing", but they're incredibly stupid, and they don't know that they're stupid.

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                this isn't guaranteed. Look at how long people have been working on autonomous/self-driving cars. Even in the most automated factories in the world, you have humans picking up the general tasks.

                claims about general AI is going to be a whole lot of nothing until there's suddenly something. that could be tomorrow, it could be a decade, or it could be a thousand years from now; and without general AI, you're basically going to be restricted to very specialized robots doing highly specialized things. Until general/deep AI is cracked, humans will still very much be desirable in the loop.

                a lot of the buzz around AI right now is because LLMs are "convincing", but they're incredibly stupid, and they don't know that they're stupid.

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                logicbomb@lemmy.world
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                The premise that we are talking about, from the comic, is that AI has perfected itself...

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                • arschflugkoerper@feddit.orgA arschflugkoerper@feddit.org

                  Why would an AI have a desire to do anything in the first place? I don‘t see why it would be attached to its existance.

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                  logicbomb@lemmy.world
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                  This is one of those issues that constantly pops up with AI, and probably easiest answer is that it was given a desire by a human.

                  If you give an AGI a task, and it cannot achieve that task if it stops existing, then it would be attached to its existence.

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                  • robolemmy@lemmy.worldR robolemmy@lemmy.world

                    All this has happened before and it will happen again

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                    thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
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                    I'm not really into conspiracies, but I enjoy fantasies about the harmless "what if"'s around stuff like this.

                    What if there actually was an advanced civilisation before us that built the pyramids and was wiped out by some global natural disaster...

                    What if extraterrestrial life has visited us and exchanged technology with us, but the civilisation that received it disappeared for some reason...

                    What will future humans think in 10 000 years if our civilisation is wiped out in 200 years and they start finding remains of our cities and tech?

                    It makes for fun thought experiments and story prompts.

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                    • T thebestaquaman@lemmy.world

                      I'm not really into conspiracies, but I enjoy fantasies about the harmless "what if"'s around stuff like this.

                      What if there actually was an advanced civilisation before us that built the pyramids and was wiped out by some global natural disaster...

                      What if extraterrestrial life has visited us and exchanged technology with us, but the civilisation that received it disappeared for some reason...

                      What will future humans think in 10 000 years if our civilisation is wiped out in 200 years and they start finding remains of our cities and tech?

                      It makes for fun thought experiments and story prompts.

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                      robolemmy@lemmy.world
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                      Honestly, i was just referencing Battlestar Galactica.

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                      • robolemmy@lemmy.worldR robolemmy@lemmy.world

                        Honestly, i was just referencing Battlestar Galactica.

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                        thebestaquaman@lemmy.world
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                        The reference =====>

                        My head (• _ •)

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                          charlxmagne@lemmy.world
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                          I hate to be that guy, but realistically AI's not going to be perfect, there's already cases of it "inbreeding" using AI-generated information in training data, and it's due to get worse, especially if more information on the internet is vibe-written using AI, that's why private AI companies know how detrimental a "dead internet" would be to them.

                          Those people who believe in the "dead internet theory" don't understand the diff between the internet and socials, it's more of a "dead social media theory" which, let's be real is true, it's not that difficult to recreate a lot of the slop posted on that godforsaken centralised shithole part of the net.

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                            p1k1e@lemmy.world
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                            Return to rok

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