Everything Will Change When The Day Comes
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If the 196 mods had used the migration feature, thé output would have been the same: other would have created !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone and most of the people would have moved there
Absolutely. That example shows how mods do not always act with full concern for the community members, and much turmoil and drama ensued as a result of that mismatched set of expectations between the "rulers" and the ruled, consent by the governed and all of that.
Maybe there is a friendlier way - like the mods move and a notice offered to those still visiting the old, without necessarily blocking the old... which as I say this I realize can't happen, bc an unmoderated community would instantly become a source of literal spam sent out to the entire Threadiverse, as sadly happened to Kbin.social.
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Because it illustrates the underlying issue: who owns the community, who gets to decide what happens to it, who gets to decide whether each individual user gets to use it, or to be moved elsewhere to a different instance entirely that they may know nothing about?
I mean again, this is just down to a fundamental difference between how you and I view communities. I view them as modular concepts essentially temporarily on a server space, being able to move if they do please. And the federative nature of the Fediverse means that badly run communities can be abandoned for another one with the same name.
An example here that's relevant: I unilaterally just moved obscuremusic from lemm.ee to piefed after lemm.ee shut down. It's a small community, but was it wrong for me to do that?
I would be in favour of automated prompts going out to all users informing them of community moves.
Currently it belongs to the mods, as too happened on Reddit, and to the admins. Lemmy is extremely authoritarian in nature btw, even more so than Reddit, e.g. Reddit does all of: (1) notifying users of a moderation event (e.g. post/comment removal) while Lemmy users in contrast may never find out that anything ever happened to their content
Reddit mods can absolutely silently remove posts without telling the poster. I don't know why you think they can't.
(2) providing a means of appeal or at least communication with the people responsible for that removal, chiefly the modmail but also similar means to contact admins
I don't think this is specifically omitted, just modmail infrastructure doesn't exist properly. You can still do it the old fashioned way by DMing mods.
You are a good actor, but I was speaking here about bad actors that choose to do things differently. Small communities by their nature definitely have differing dynamics, especially in situations such as when the original founder is the only or primary mod, or the chief poster. Communities change dynamics as they age though, and the question of ownership gets much more murky then.
Reddit mods can absolutely silently remove posts without telling the poster. I don't know why you think they can't.
REALLY? I was a mod of a couple of different small to medium sized communities and I never heard about that. I definitely would have tested it too, by removing my own content and seeing if I received a notification event. Then again, Reddit has changed since the Rexodus so perhaps that is what you mean? Or shadow banning? (But that was done by admins, not mere mods.) And there was most definitely a modmail on Reddit, whereas on Lemmy there is no such method of connection provided.
But now I feel like you are ignoring what I said: no you can't DM a mod, on Lemmy, when the modlog merely says that the action was done by a "mod" - unless you message every single mod listed in the entire community, one by one. Which for a small community with one mod is of course easy, but some of the largest communities have much larger mod teams, showing that just because something works under one set of conditions does not imply that it will work under all of them. Anyway DM mods definitely is not the same as a dedicated modmail. Perhaps I am not the best one to communicate this to you but you will see over time as you notice how Lemmy works on the large scale.
