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  4. Bluesky, being the largest ATProto AppView, means that their moderation decisions have the broadest impact on the ATmosphere experience.

Bluesky, being the largest ATProto AppView, means that their moderation decisions have the broadest impact on the ATmosphere experience.

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    Bluesky, being the largest ATProto AppView, means that their moderation decisions have the broadest impact on the ATmosphere experience.

    Mastodon, being the largest ActivityPub platform, means that their decisions on how quote posts work have the broadest impact on the Fediverse experience.

    The quicker everyone realizes these ecosystems are similar, the quicker we can focus on targeting social siloes that still dominate the social media landscape.

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    • quillmatiq@mastodon.socialQ quillmatiq@mastodon.social

      Bluesky, being the largest ATProto AppView, means that their moderation decisions have the broadest impact on the ATmosphere experience.

      Mastodon, being the largest ActivityPub platform, means that their decisions on how quote posts work have the broadest impact on the Fediverse experience.

      The quicker everyone realizes these ecosystems are similar, the quicker we can focus on targeting social siloes that still dominate the social media landscape.

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      @quillmatiq there is a world of difference between "moderation decisions" and "how quote posts work". quote posts are just links that might have a preview. this is far from "the broadest impact on the fediverse experience" -- i am overwhelmingly more impacted by the moderation decisions of my server than i am by how one software chooses to approach a feature i don't use. the comparison falls flat because bsky is a single entity, but there are tens of thousands of mastodon servers alone.

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        @quillmatiq there is a world of difference between "moderation decisions" and "how quote posts work". quote posts are just links that might have a preview. this is far from "the broadest impact on the fediverse experience" -- i am overwhelmingly more impacted by the moderation decisions of my server than i am by how one software chooses to approach a feature i don't use. the comparison falls flat because bsky is a single entity, but there are tens of thousands of mastodon servers alone.

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        @trwnh Quote posts weren't on Mastodon because it was seen as a way of dunking on other users. I'd call that a moderation decision.

        And just because you don't want to use them doesn't mean that it wasn't a decision that hindered others experience here (including me).

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          @trwnh Quote posts weren't on Mastodon because it was seen as a way of dunking on other users. I'd call that a moderation decision.

          And just because you don't want to use them doesn't mean that it wasn't a decision that hindered others experience here (including me).

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          @quillmatiq @trwnh I'd probably say a platform/project trust & safety decision, not a "moderation decision" slightly different, especially because clients implemented non-native quote posts.

          Just like there's many other trust & safety considerations that go into developing mastodon. These are somewhat different to content moderation policies, which are a lot more subjective and often debatable.

          Like, bsky made a trust & safety decision when implementing their own quote posts to allow unlinking and preventing quotes of your posts.

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          • quillmatiq@mastodon.socialQ quillmatiq@mastodon.social

            @trwnh Quote posts weren't on Mastodon because it was seen as a way of dunking on other users. I'd call that a moderation decision.

            And just because you don't want to use them doesn't mean that it wasn't a decision that hindered others experience here (including me).

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            @quillmatiq no, a moderation decision would be like banning your account or making it invisible. mastodon users can still click a link even if it doesn't have a preview.

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              @quillmatiq @trwnh I'd probably say a platform/project trust & safety decision, not a "moderation decision" slightly different, especially because clients implemented non-native quote posts.

              Just like there's many other trust & safety considerations that go into developing mastodon. These are somewhat different to content moderation policies, which are a lot more subjective and often debatable.

              Like, bsky made a trust & safety decision when implementing their own quote posts to allow unlinking and preventing quotes of your posts.

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              @quillmatiq @trwnh (and iirc, Bluesky didn't launch with quote posts either, they came later)

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                @quillmatiq @trwnh (and iirc, Bluesky didn't launch with quote posts either, they came later)

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                @thisismissem @quillmatiq ironically, bluesky's interaction gating only works because they are the single entity that controls the primary appview. it would be trivial for someone to set up an appview that didn't respect interaction gates, but the only reason no one has done this yet is because it's simply not worthwhile to do so.

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                  @quillmatiq no, a moderation decision would be like banning your account or making it invisible. mastodon users can still click a link even if it doesn't have a preview.

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                  @trwnh Fair enough. Still doesn't change my mind that these two things are the same as far as user experience on the platform goes.

                  Btw, you can still access posts on ATProto even if they're moderated out of Bsky's AppView, and some clients specifically build around that experience.

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                    @trwnh Fair enough. Still doesn't change my mind that these two things are the same as far as user experience on the platform goes.

                    Btw, you can still access posts on ATProto even if they're moderated out of Bsky's AppView, and some clients specifically build around that experience.

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                    @quillmatiq sure, but other non-mastodon softwares (misskey in particular) have had what you would call "quote posts" for years. they just don't render with a preview in mastodon. the ux impact of "i saw a post and had to click a link" is far lower than the ux impact of "i am banned in turkey".

                    if there's anything to be said about the impact of mastodon's decisions, the default 500 character limit is a way bigger deal. or lack of support for object types besides Person Create Note.

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                      @quillmatiq sure, but other non-mastodon softwares (misskey in particular) have had what you would call "quote posts" for years. they just don't render with a preview in mastodon. the ux impact of "i saw a post and had to click a link" is far lower than the ux impact of "i am banned in turkey".

                      if there's anything to be said about the impact of mastodon's decisions, the default 500 character limit is a way bigger deal. or lack of support for object types besides Person Create Note.

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                      @quillmatiq put simply, i am far more affected by mastodon's decision to be inspired by twitter and build a twitterlike system. i believe this decision is holding the entire activitypub ecosystem back, because prospective new implementers want to be compatible with mastodon so they can talk to mastodon's users. in doing so, they neglect to handle the more general use cases that activitypub and activitystreams were designed for.

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