You look a bit skinny, son.
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Last I checked, Piefed had only a fraction of the users Lemmy had.
I have an account in a Piefed instance and it's awesome (especially if they add image galleries before Lemmy does), but I don't think it would meaningfully move the graph.
Yes, it does - but you have to account for the users on there if you're measuring the fediverse activity in general. And Mbin. Combined they'd add about 2.2k extra users this month.
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- point people to one instance you like instead of a general website
- on Piefed, when people register, they can either join indeed the instance they're on, or have a look at other options: https://piefed.zip/auth/instance_chooser
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn't be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don't care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.
If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.
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This doesn't seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is
Anecdotally, it doesn't feel like the experience is contracting, or part of a shrinking community. It's worth asking what the data means, and whether it's bad, but there are definitely other reasonable factors too. Users from interoperable platforms like mastodon and piefed, individual people using fewer accounts, or even fewer lurkers, could be responsible for a good chunk of the data.
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Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn't be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don't care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.
If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.
I don't, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip
This would just be an alternative
The issue is that there aren't really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.
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absolute win tho?
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Last I checked, Piefed had only a fraction of the users Lemmy had.
I have an account in a Piefed instance and it's awesome (especially if they add image galleries before Lemmy does), but I don't think it would meaningfully move the graph.
I mean with how many instances have launched a piefed server the last few months and with how small Lemmy is in the first place even a thousand or so users switching would explain some of that slight downward slope at the end.
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Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.
Yeah. And we don't need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people
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Just FYI, the number may be up a bit more than we are seeing due to how the website pulls its numbers.
There's a lot of instances that put anti ai/ crawling tech in front of their instances. As well as instances that are no longer sharing stats due to ai activity.
The numbers come from
/nodeinfo/2.1(may be different on different softwares, check.well-known/nodeinfoto find the endpoint).E.g., https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/nodeinfo/2.1 is the one for my instance.
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The numbers come from
/nodeinfo/2.1(may be different on different softwares, check.well-known/nodeinfoto find the endpoint).E.g., https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/nodeinfo/2.1 is the one for my instance.
nice. Yeah Ive seen a bit on the API side. And Ive come across a couple that dont federate/have it behind arubus, etc...etc...
Most dont but a couple do. I wish I could find another...but of course now that im looking I cant find the instances.
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Thank you for your service. I agree with you on the issue, but am a bit afraid that if more people onboard here, the threads will be just the same reddit hivemind circlejerk like ”i also choose this guys wife” etc. But since there is no karma to gain here I wish it will stay like this.
Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.
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Stamets, byteonbikes, mtz, lady butterfly, track_shovel.
When you start seeing it, you can't unsee it.
Block them if you don't like their posts ?
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No, its the fact that the same couple of people post across all communitys and drown everything else. I wouldn't be opposed to a daily limit of posts, just to bring the noise down. The only reason i still come here is for the rare, once a week, quality post.
Use "scaled" to see more or smaller communities ?
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This is actually pretty good user retention. Most platforms bleed way more users after a surge in sign ups (eg Mastodon, Pixelfed, Threads, Bluesky).
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People have started using Piefed insted of Lemmy, but I'm not sure we should throw away hope for the fediverse because of that.
It’s all or nothing baby! Let’s burn it down if something isn’t perfect from day one.
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Yeah. And we don't need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people
Rare user from feddit.it
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I used to post everywhere.
Every single time that I go through the effort to contribute to another small community i somehow break some fucking rule and my post is removed despite there being 0 activity on that space for days.
Every time this happens, I block the space because it's a horrible experience to try to create content for the fediverse.
It feels the exact same as reddit, and the more mod and admin abuse that keeps happening, the more people will keep leaving and poating less.
Honestly, the next time I get a fucking un replyable automod message on this space that is "suppsed to be better than reddit" I think I am done contributing to the fediverse.
I never post, and I don't comment much but I did get banned once cause I downvoted a moderator's comment
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Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.
I don't, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip
This would just be an alternative
The issue is that there aren't really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.
Yeah that's a good point. Maybe it's too different for it to work. I maintain that complexity will continue to push people away, though. If instances are that different we might have better luck referring to them as their own sites. That would just increase the flocking to single mega instances though. The most important feature of any social media site is who's on it.
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Block them if you don't like their posts ?
Ah yes. The common solution to everything. Make my own little universe where everyone and everything is perfect and everyone agrees with me.
I keep things unblocked for a reason.
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I'm not a programmer so I can't speak to how hard this is, but I think it would be a big asset to building user base if there was a neutral sign up website that wasn't a specific instance. It would basically choose an instance for you automatically and skip that part. I figure there could be some list of general purpose instances compiled that are all fair game and the site would try to spread the load across instances.
Average user doesn't care about federation, and all of that complexity is a big turn off. I know because I almost didn't sign up myself because of that. Having to pick a team just to get in the door feels kinda bad.
I was in the same boat as you regarding signing up. I also agree with you that the concept of federation might be confusing for new users. Just gave up at the promt to explore other instances (in lemmy.world sign up) and signed up to lemmy.world.
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Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.
The rules of the game are different so Lemmy wouldn’t be like Reddit even with the same scale.
