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There should a seperate place for US news so we all can ignore it🙎‍♂️

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works

    There are people who are stupid enough to pretend the goings on of the world's only superpower isn't relevant to their lives, as they scroll Facebook on their iPhones within the combat radius of an F-35.

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    bloefz@lemmy.world
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    #81

    Those iPhones made in China you mean?

    America is not the only superpower and well on its way to no longer being the biggest one. Trump complains a lot about providing defense capability for Europe and other places but in return for that America got influence which is what made it a superpower.

    Now that people are no longer trusting the US that influence will be reduced. Europe won't be the next superpower but probably China will be. I'm not very happy with that but as a European I don't really want us to be a superpower either.

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    • B bloefz@lemmy.world

      Those iPhones made in China you mean?

      America is not the only superpower and well on its way to no longer being the biggest one. Trump complains a lot about providing defense capability for Europe and other places but in return for that America got influence which is what made it a superpower.

      Now that people are no longer trusting the US that influence will be reduced. Europe won't be the next superpower but probably China will be. I'm not very happy with that but as a European I don't really want us to be a superpower either.

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      China, the nation that is good at doing what western nations tell them how to do.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works

        Must be why North Korea has the best selling fighter jet in the world.

        ...oh wait.

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        echodot@feddit.uk
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        So you don't believe that North Korea has the potential to be a threat to the United States? If so then what about China, are they a threat, Russia is certainly a threat l, there's a whole period of history of America considering Russia to be a threat.

        If they're threats to you then they must also be superpowers, stands to reason. So there are a lot of super powers, and yet all I ever hear about is the US. Odd that.

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        • G garbagio@lemmy.zip

          Its so strange. Like let's be real here: Even if Americans weren't the plurality of Lemmy users (we are), America is also literally at the top of the modern global hegemony. I don't like it, I most certainly don't like what we do with it, but it's still true. Emanuel Macron does some dumb shit, it rocks the EU markets, maybe drops some forecasts for the sociopolitical climates of some EU nations and the nations they still squat on (again, not defending, just stating the reality that there are still African nations paying France for their independence). If a senator here so much as gets out of bed wrong, an entire chunk of the current global order could be thrown into upheaval. Orban praises Putin, sucks for Hungary. Trump praises Putin, it sucks for literally the entire planet.

          You can be mad that we're in that position; I most certainly am. I truly believe the world would have a better chance at improving if we weren't. But until we aren't, yeah, our news is global news. You can be sick of hearing about it, you can even predict it, but that doesn't make it any less impactful or worth knowing.

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          echodot@feddit.uk
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          It's interesting that the US claims to be the top of the heap economically and yet much of the cutting edge science being done at the moment in fusion is coming out of Europe and China. I don't believe the US's contributed anything to that sector of science. It's the same across the board, the largest particle accelerator in the world, in Europe, the largest telescope in the world, in China, the second largest been Arecibo and that was in Puerto Rico, and was so unappreciated it was allowed to rot, not exactly a glowing endorsement for US science.

          Every time this is brought up somebody always goes yeah but we've landed on the moon, and that's the point really, US's last great contribution to the world was over a generation ago and the organisation that did it is being defunded. America was one great.

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          • R rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works

            It's not their fault they're taught that they are the centre of the whole world.

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            kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Considering a lot of OPs posts are about America and it's politics, I'm wondering if they down vote their own posts.

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            • E echodot@feddit.uk

              So you don't believe that North Korea has the potential to be a threat to the United States? If so then what about China, are they a threat, Russia is certainly a threat l, there's a whole period of history of America considering Russia to be a threat.

              If they're threats to you then they must also be superpowers, stands to reason. So there are a lot of super powers, and yet all I ever hear about is the US. Odd that.

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              captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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              No I don't believe that North Korea has the potential to be a threat to the United States. I've seen North Korea help Russia threaten Ukraine. How's that going for them. Europe is currently pissing themselves wondering what they can do against Russia without America's help, that's been kinda funny to watch.

              We took the Soviet Union seriously. There's a difference: The Soviet Union had Ukraine in it. Turns out they were the brains of the operation.

              As for China...I think I'm gonna live long enough to see that fight.

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              • G garbagio@lemmy.zip

                Its so strange. Like let's be real here: Even if Americans weren't the plurality of Lemmy users (we are), America is also literally at the top of the modern global hegemony. I don't like it, I most certainly don't like what we do with it, but it's still true. Emanuel Macron does some dumb shit, it rocks the EU markets, maybe drops some forecasts for the sociopolitical climates of some EU nations and the nations they still squat on (again, not defending, just stating the reality that there are still African nations paying France for their independence). If a senator here so much as gets out of bed wrong, an entire chunk of the current global order could be thrown into upheaval. Orban praises Putin, sucks for Hungary. Trump praises Putin, it sucks for literally the entire planet.

                You can be mad that we're in that position; I most certainly am. I truly believe the world would have a better chance at improving if we weren't. But until we aren't, yeah, our news is global news. You can be sick of hearing about it, you can even predict it, but that doesn't make it any less impactful or worth knowing.

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                openstars@piefed.social
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                I would have naively thought that Europeans would be the plurality? But if you mean from any one particular nation then that makes sense.

                Part of what the Threadiverse provides is the ability to make for ourselves whatever we want - and if someone wants to make a community that showcases solely news from within the USA while excluding all external news, or vice versa, then they can do that? The creator + mod can do whatever they want, subject only to admin rules of the instance that they choose, and if they spin up their own then they can even adjust those.

                So even if they "should not" want that, nevertheless if people did want something different, then the power of the Threadiverse provides that ability? Of course it is a bit different to demand that someone else go through all the effort - and likely be doxxed and receive literal death threats for their trouble - but that's a separate issue.

                So my point above was that exactly what OP asked - "There should a seperate place for US news" - already exists. I agree with you though that OP was not terribly precise in asking for whatever it is that they actually wanted: for !news@lemmy.world to feature news from outside the US? (the current posts that show up on it right now using the default sorting method of Active are things like: "Thieves steal crown jewels in 4 minutes from Louvre Museum", "Trump suggests US will buy Argentinian beef to bring down prices for American consumers", "Greenland chooses French satellites over Elon Musk’s Starlink", etc. - I am not saying that USA-internal news does not exist there obviously just that it is only one part of the news that that specific community chooses to host, which is their decision but nobody needs to be bound by that as they can always just seek out different communities that meet their needs better?) Maybe they want communities to exist for other places - like !uk_politics@feddit.uk, or !australianpolitics@aussie.zone, or !politics@lemmy.nz, or !canadapolitics@lemmy.ca, or !indianpolitics@lemy.lol, or !bulgarianpolitics@lemmy.world, or !politics@monyet.cc, or more amalgamation-type ones such as !europepolitics@feddit.org, !europepolitics@sh.itjust.works, or !geopol@sopuli.xyz.

                Heck, there is even a community literally called !notuspolitics@lemmy.world that says specifically: "This is the place for anything but US politics." People can do whatever they want - note that it may require some amount of effor though.

                And I need to add that I am just laughing here over on PieFed. We have had user & post flairs for half a year now already, merging of comments across all cross-posts for slightly longer, and we've even had features such as the "Topic/Feeds" that combine different sources of news across multiple communities, and keyword filtering, for well over a year now. So very much of the difficulty in using Lemmy stems from the technology behind very behind that of Reddit, as if that kind of fully-featured thing could be developed from scratch, plus add ActivityPub integration allowing federation, and an API, all for free, in a short amount of time, plus having to do so using a highly niche language such as Rust. But Rimu did it, and post flairs and/or keyword filtering seems like exactly the kind of thing that would give OP exactly what they wanted: the ability to block out all posts of a certain type that they do not enjoy seeing, while still not having to do any work at all to either moderate a community (especially about a heavily contentious subject matter such as this!) or to create one or even to move to a different one. Which is why this post reads to me more like schadenfreude than anything else. So... okay then, ignore all the efforts being done to improve the Threadiverse, and rather simply complain, if that's what OP wants, I guess?

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                • E echodot@feddit.uk

                  It's interesting that the US claims to be the top of the heap economically and yet much of the cutting edge science being done at the moment in fusion is coming out of Europe and China. I don't believe the US's contributed anything to that sector of science. It's the same across the board, the largest particle accelerator in the world, in Europe, the largest telescope in the world, in China, the second largest been Arecibo and that was in Puerto Rico, and was so unappreciated it was allowed to rot, not exactly a glowing endorsement for US science.

                  Every time this is brought up somebody always goes yeah but we've landed on the moon, and that's the point really, US's last great contribution to the world was over a generation ago and the organisation that did it is being defunded. America was one great.

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                  garbagio@lemmy.zip
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                  I don't see how that has anything to do with this. Europe having news with reach doesn't invalidate our news just having more inherent reach. Like yes, we're some dumbfucks currently bleeding any smart people we have left due to our fall to fascism, but given how much of the world's most educated people have been hoarded in the US for the last 70 years, I would say that yes, that also becomes global news.

                  Like, here. There is a housing market collapse in Greece right now. This is having devastating socioeconomic effects on both the people of Greece and their closest neighbors. It also is having political effects in other EU nations; I have no doubt that the AFD is using it as an anti-immigration talking point, for example. It's a serious issue that is having some measure of demonstrable international relevance. Bro last time America had a housing collapse it caused a global recession that arguably kicked off the Arab Spring. Entire nations have sprung up and fallen based on our failures of fucking housing policy (hi South Sudan). The reach of our fuckups isn't just international, it's generational.

                  And to be fair I hate it. I hate that our politicians can, with so much as a word, alter global military spending, or international markets, or foreign public policy. I hate that a school shooting in Bumbfuck, Kansas can alter the price of eggs in Nigeria. But you can't dismantle that without acknowledging it. Sequestering our news, annoying though it may be, does nothing towards dismantling its international reach. Hell, if anything it does a disservice to our biggest victims; if some fuckup half the planet away from me could fuck with my ability to feed my family, you're damn right I want to hear about it. I think we all agree that the US is too unstable, too fucking weird, to have the power that it does, and that isn't even bringing up the morality of any nation having that power. But until the rest of the planet builds socioeconomic bonds resilient to US intervention, we're here to stay.

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                  • trickdacy@lemmy.worldT trickdacy@lemmy.world

                    Pretty weird you used an alt to try and help build the narrative that I "hate" everyone. Ironic considering all I attempted to do here was mildly scold someone for outright saying they hate an entire nation of humans.

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                    hatorade@lemmy.world
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                    Alt of who? Come on, give me proof of who you think I am.

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                    • stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.comS stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      I also cannot see him because I had his LW account blocked on LW. I literally could not care less about him. He doesn't matter. Would like to stay oblivious about him, thanks. I don't need his whiny updates being hand delivered. I appreciate the heads up but I just really don't care about the dude.

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                      Fair enough, I'll try to not do that for ya in the future. I felt if someone was going to slander a user they should be made aware of it. ❤️

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                      • H hatorade@lemmy.world

                        Alt of who? Come on, give me proof of who you think I am.

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                        I'm sure it's a total coincidence that another user also accused me of actually being friends with Jordan Lund and hating people for disagreeing. The same user also implying that I'm well known for these traits. Maybe you forgot you switched accounts between comments?

                        You can’t expect Trick to read! He hates you for being right and his favorite power tripping bastard being proven wrong.

                        https://lemmy.world/post/37552115/20032793

                        Weird how you both thought exactly alike even though my entire point was Jordan Lund sucks as a mod but hating him for his nationality was wrong. Hmm, yes I can see how two accounts both took that succinct message in the opposite direction that it was clearly pointing. /S

                        And in case you try to pretend you didn't accuse me of buddying up to Lund,

                        And it’s pretty telling you hate someone documenting your favorite moderator’s actions.

                        https://lemmy.world/comment/20020396

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                        • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP pugjesus@lemmy.world

                          Yeah, you left .world over a shitty mod, to go to an instance where the admins tolerate Holodomor denial and deny UN-verified sexual assault, lmao.

                          Fantastic choice.

                          Unruffled denying Uyghur genocide

                          Holodomor denial left up in a comm where the only two mods are dbzer0 admins, they both participated in the thread, the material was reported, it was specifically pointed out to one of them, and the comm regularly removes Zionist genocide apologia and denial under the (legitimate) justification that genocide denial is against the rules. Apparently, the Holodomor isn't a REAL genocide in the admins' eyes.

                          Both Unruffled, dbzer0 admin, and Davel, .ml admin, denying UN verified sexual assault

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                          keepk000l@sh.itjust.works
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                          .world mods receives israeli propaganda right in their inbox.

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                          • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP pugjesus@lemmy.world

                            And here’s PJ slandering you because he knows you can’t read him.

                            I'm sorry that dbzer0 banned me for pointing out their tolerance and denial of genocide and sexual assault. Sorry that you think opposing genocide is 'turbolib' behavior, but I guess locking arms together when one of the community is downvoted - sorry, confronted with bad behavior - is cop anarchist praxis.

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                            keepk000l@sh.itjust.works
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                            You care a lot about the uygurs, ukraine, 1970 czechoslovakia,... But when your country and its two-party systems bombs gaza, suddenly you're a centrist.

                            Look, all I'm saying is that the uygurs were trying to genocide chinese people in the first place. Works there too ahah /s

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                            • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP pugjesus@lemmy.world

                              Yeah, you left .world over a shitty mod, to go to an instance where the admins tolerate Holodomor denial and deny UN-verified sexual assault, lmao.

                              Fantastic choice.

                              Unruffled denying Uyghur genocide

                              Holodomor denial left up in a comm where the only two mods are dbzer0 admins, they both participated in the thread, the material was reported, it was specifically pointed out to one of them, and the comm regularly removes Zionist genocide apologia and denial under the (legitimate) justification that genocide denial is against the rules. Apparently, the Holodomor isn't a REAL genocide in the admins' eyes.

                              Both Unruffled, dbzer0 admin, and Davel, .ml admin, denying UN verified sexual assault

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                              keepk000l@sh.itjust.works
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                              I'm not denying the uyghurs genocide but have you look at their charters? They clearly hates han people. So you see there's no good guys here and we should do nothing.

                              I'm pigjizzus im very smart

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                              • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP pugjesus@lemmy.world

                                And here’s PJ slandering you because he knows you can’t read him.

                                I'm sorry that dbzer0 banned me for pointing out their tolerance and denial of genocide and sexual assault. Sorry that you think opposing genocide is 'turbolib' behavior, but I guess locking arms together when one of the community is downvoted - sorry, confronted with bad behavior - is cop anarchist praxis.

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                                keepk000l@sh.itjust.works
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                                Maybe you should focus on the genocides carried by YOUR country. Ya know, the ones you have power over?

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                                • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.worksC captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works

                                  There are people who are stupid enough to pretend the goings on of the world's only superpower isn't relevant to their lives, as they scroll Facebook on their iPhones within the combat radius of an F-35.

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                                  devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  Oh, yes, the only superpower of like 4. Europe, Russia, China, USA.

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                                  • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.comE eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    Fair enough, I'll try to not do that for ya in the future. I felt if someone was going to slander a user they should be made aware of it. ❤️

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                                    stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    100% I agree with that stance. However, as far as I'm concerned, he's not even a user. He's nothing. I would tell you what I think about him, but I don't.

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                                    • D devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      Oh, yes, the only superpower of like 4. Europe, Russia, China, USA.

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                                      Is Russia still considered a superpower? Lately it feels like more of China's sockpuppet.

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                                        podbrushkin@mander.xyz
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                                        If only keyword filters would’ve work for pictures as well. Also, lemmy 1.0 will support keywords platform-wide.

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                                        • B blarghly@lemmy.world

                                          They aren't spamming. There are just more americans, who are posting at the same rate as other people from other nations.

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                                          stevedice@sh.itjust.works
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                                          So, spamming.

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