NodeBB-ActivityPub Bridge Test Instance

@fentiger what if activitypub is ultimately the wrong path for the web? (see my immediate follow-up about feeds and syndication)

@ignaloidas idk i'm not sure about that, it's stuff that when i search for it in youtube music, it just doesn't come up at all. maybe if i'm lucky someone has uploaded a video with the entire album, but that doesn't help with wanting to add a specific track to a playlist

@evan the only point i'm trying to make here is that a Create is a "notification that someone created something", not a "notification that someone replied". if you have something which is both a reply and a quote and who knows what else, then you are overloading the Create with highly specific introspection and possibly complex boolean logic (Create AND object.inReplyTo NOT (object.tag[*] is Link AND Link.rel = _misskey_quote))

a simple match on the top-level type array could suffice!

@evan it's a genuine question, which you may ignore.

@evan evan, not only did i read your book, i also reviewed it for o'reilly at your request. the topic at hand is about reply notifications and reply acknowledgements, two things which are not specified in the activitypub TR. we have Like+likes and Announce+shares, and to some extent we have Follow+followers, but everything else is left as an afterthought perhaps stuffed in a Create. i'm very confused what this kind of response is supposed to mean.

@thisismissem @jalcine i mean w3.org/ns/activitystreams/v2 which would be like an "AS2 v2", whereas right now we are on i think AS2 v1.11? might be a v1.12 in the pipeline? https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams-history/

@thisismissem @jalcine i am very unsure if a v2 is even possible due to term conflicts between versions and no way to detect versions. minting an activitystreams/v2 context doesn't actually do anything for existing usage

@evan

1. how do you notify someone that you've replied to them?

2. how do you manage side effects?

@jalcine those have become AP 1.1 instead, i think

i don't particularly like feed technologies like RSS and Atom (and Atom is probably easier to work with although RSS might be more prevalent)

but you do kind of have to admit that feeds + a pubsub hub (as in ostatus) was actually in a lot of ways better for the web than whatever we have currently going on. in that sense, activitypub is honestly a **lot** of overhead for what it gets used for -- following feeds and syndicating articles.

you could layer on the social notifications with an inbox?

i don't wanna be too much of a crank but i do think that the way that a lot of things have gone over the past decade or so have been more or less a mistake from which we might not ever be able to repay the technical debt

not-so-fun fact: it is possible for a topic manager to destroy a websub subscription after-the-fact. it is however not specified how to remove a follower in activitypub

by "AP" here i mean the Follow/Like/Announce bits and how they affect the followers/likes/shares collections. since that's the only part that has any sort of consistency

even then, i do kind of think that WebSub was/is/remains better for handling subscriptions. also they should have kept calling it pubsubhubbub

rather unfortunate that AP didn't leave any protocol signaling mechanisms for itself, so "upgrading" to a different/future version of AP is kinda fraught, since there is no concept or awareness of multiple protocols potentially using the same vocabulary

activitypub should have defined a `Reply` activity and the `replies` collection should have contained these activities

@ignaloidas is this through youtube music or just youtube?

@djsundog the invisible hand of the market is really into gut punches, what can i say

@swaggboi it was an okay idea for a bit but it quickly got boring and not useful. “see your notifications without pulling your phone out of your pocket” is only a good thing when you actually care to see notifications lol

@aetios that wasn’t a club, that was a movement

@hornblende anything particularly standing out to you?