Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.
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How about... the fediverse is like building a bunch of interstates between big websites
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@omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
@eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?
Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propegate, until they are observed! Haha
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Kichae:
Growing up with email, forums, and IRC, it seems only natural...
Well yea, of course, if you grew up with decentralized social technology, then it seems natural to you. If you're reading this, you're probably in the top 1% of tech-literate people in the world (if not top 0.1%). Unfortunately, if you are reading this, you'll probably also have a hard time understanding the struggle of the remaining 99%, because you will have a hard time putting yourself in their shoes.
Reacting with astonishment about how people are not as tech-literate as you would hope is not a good path for understanding those people.
This is essentially the Curse of Knowledge. For good examples, look at some of the tag lines that appear on some fediverse app websites:
- Lemmy: "A link aggregator for the fediverse"
- Misskey: "Interplanetary microblogging platform.Misskey is an open source, decentralized social media platform that's free forever!"
- Mbin: "A federated content aggregator, voting, discussion and microblogging platform."
Normal people (the 99%) do not know any of these words:
- Link/content aggregator?
- "Fediverse"?
- Microblogging?
- Open source?
- Decentralized?
- Federated?
(I'm not especially bashing Lemmy, Misskey or Mbin here, it was just some examples I found; no offense meant, this is a hard problem, lots of fediverse apps do this)
It's no surprise that the fediverse is mostly dominated by technical people, because generally the fediverse platforms do not do an amazing job at introducing and teaching people the concept of the fediverse. You will not get a "normal person" (non-techie person) to sign up on a site that starts out with several technical terms that they don't understand.
The approach taken by Mastodon's intro site is much more friendly to newcomers and I wish more apps would do the same. Pixelfed is also close though it still mentions "Open source and decentralized".
Hmmm @sortekanin@socialhub.activitypub.rocks is it possible for whatever reason your posts no. 6 and no. 10 in this topic, were not originally available for me to read yesterday/ but I am reading them today, one was a reply to me (but saw no notification) other than I scrolled past too fast.
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@eeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!
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One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
A thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in sync -
@eeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
a thread with 100 different origin
Do you mean each post originating post actin was on a different platform but the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms?
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@omega yes, so post 101 could need to go to the previous (up to) 100 servers so those threads are in sync
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@eeeee In the context of this topic how man quantum instances might exist?
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@omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
@eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?
Two, they talk about up and down spin
Analagous to up and down voting on Nodebb lol -
Incidentally @omega, I direct messaged on you here a while ago, did you see it?
It appears our federated convo working better tgan local one -
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@julian as I contibuted to this thread also from my mastodon account, should that (in principle) be getting notified of additional comments on here.
Its currently not, which does negate the observation that data transfer would increase as more people join a topic. However the exponential propagation previously mentioned does not seem to be working - its only on nodebb that this thread is expanding now? -
@eeeee Mastodon doesn't notify you unless you are explicitly mentioned.
In NodeBB when you reply, you subscribe to the topic (unless you opt out or "unwatch" it), but that doesn't happen in Mastodon.
NodeBB could propagate additional replies to Mastodon and other softwares, it doesn't right now.
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Edits arent reflected still. In theory can AcitivtyPub repost an updated post easily, or does it have no ability to retract a post to resend a corrected one?
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NodeBB sends the update. Mastodon doesn't accept it for some reason, it's something I've yet to figure out.
Does the update propagate to Discourse?
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Yes the Discorse thread version doesnt accept updates either.
I think if the bar is set so that different nodebb sites can fully connect then thats enough, as nobody can controll what 3rd parties do -
Test1, mentioning a user at a different nodebb server @mrcs@isurg.org
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@eeeee user slugs are always lower case. @mrcs@isurg.org didn't get the notification? That's odd.
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No, also that account 'Knows no servers again' even though I follow myself here.
Incidentally some world links on here, I may try and follow the user but get this broken link inage
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On isurg the install is a week old, so maybe there have been updates since. As mentioned before without a numbering system its hard to know when out of date.
Whats the planned time for releasing v4 in main? I think now, the sooner thats done the better. It wont affect those who dont want to activate it