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Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.

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  • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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    omega@community.nodebb.org
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    #40

    @eeeee I am native posting only

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      #41

      https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-string-theory-2699363

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      String Theory: The Mathematics of Moving Beyond Current Physics

      String theory claims the dimensions of space and time that we observe are a result of vibrations of microscopic energy strings.

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      ThoughtCo (www.thoughtco.com)

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      • eeeee@community.nodebb.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #42

        Omega, From your descriptive posts I thought you were a writer, but now a Physicist!
        Many talents 😀

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        • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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          #43

          @eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?

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          • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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            #44

            Personally I think the word
            Federated is being used as if it was the word disseminated, which to me is more apt descriptively

            “your post is disseminated across multiple platforms at once… this is the fediverse… and you are like a sun and each post a ray of light that eventually reaches planets... soon disparate planetary religions spring up worshipping your name spanning light years across the galaxies”

            Maybe not the last bit 😅

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            • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #45

              Here is an edite version of the wiki entry:

              The fediverse is a collection of social networks that can communicate with each other using a common protocol. Users of different websites can send and receive status updates, multimedia files and other data across the network.

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              • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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                #46

                How about... the fediverse is like building a bunch of interstates between big websites

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                • eeeee@community.nodebb.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #47

                  @omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:

                  @eeeee I always get a Schrödinger's cat vibe off these fediverse topics am I the only one?

                  Absolutely, you never know if fediverse posts did or didnt propegate, until they are observed! Haha

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                  • sortekanin@socialhub.activitypub.rocksS sortekanin@socialhub.activitypub.rocks
                    Kichae:

                    Growing up with email, forums, and IRC, it seems only natural...

                    Well yea, of course, if you grew up with decentralized social technology, then it seems natural to you. If you're reading this, you're probably in the top 1% of tech-literate people in the world (if not top 0.1%). Unfortunately, if you are reading this, you'll probably also have a hard time understanding the struggle of the remaining 99%, because you will have a hard time putting yourself in their shoes.

                    Reacting with astonishment about how people are not as tech-literate as you would hope is not a good path for understanding those people.

                    This is essentially the Curse of Knowledge. For good examples, look at some of the tag lines that appear on some fediverse app websites:

                    • Lemmy: "A link aggregator for the fediverse"
                    • Misskey: "Interplanetary microblogging platform.Misskey is an open source, decentralized social media platform that's free forever!"
                    • Mbin: "A federated content aggregator, voting, discussion and microblogging platform."

                    Normal people (the 99%) do not know any of these words:

                    • Link/content aggregator?
                    • "Fediverse"?
                    • Microblogging?
                    • Open source?
                    • Decentralized?
                    • Federated?

                    (I'm not especially bashing Lemmy, Misskey or Mbin here, it was just some examples I found; no offense meant, this is a hard problem, lots of fediverse apps do this)

                    It's no surprise that the fediverse is mostly dominated by technical people, because generally the fediverse platforms do not do an amazing job at introducing and teaching people the concept of the fediverse. You will not get a "normal person" (non-techie person) to sign up on a site that starts out with several technical terms that they don't understand.

                    The approach taken by Mastodon's intro site is much more friendly to newcomers and I wish more apps would do the same. Pixelfed is also close though it still mentions "Open source and decentralized".

                    omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #48

                    Hmmm @sortekanin@socialhub.activitypub.rocks is it possible for whatever reason your posts no. 6 and no. 10 in this topic, were not originally available for me to read yesterday/ but I am reading them today, one was a reply to me (but saw no notification) other than I scrolled past too fast.

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                    • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #49

                      @eeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!

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                        #50

                        One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
                        On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
                        A thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in sync

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                        • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @eeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:

                          a thread with 100 different origin

                          Do you mean each post originating post actin was on a different platform but the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms?

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                            #52

                            @omega yes, so post 101 could need to go to the previous (up to) 100 servers so those threads are in sync

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                              #53

                              @eeeee In the context of this topic how man quantum instances might exist?

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                                @omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:

                                @eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?

                                Two, they talk about up and down spin
                                Analagous to up and down voting on Nodebb lol

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                                • eeeee@community.nodebb.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #55

                                  Incidentally @omega, I direct messaged on you here a while ago, did you see it?
                                  It appears our federated convo working better tgan local one 🙂

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                                  • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #56

                                    @eeeee @omega if you are attempting to communicate to a remote account (outside of this NodeBB instance), it must be done publicly. Non-public messages received by NodeBB are rejected because NodeBB does not support the concept of limited post visibility at this time.

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                                      #57

                                      @julian as I contibuted to this thread also from my mastodon account, should that (in principle) be getting notified of additional comments on here.
                                      Its currently not, which does negate the observation that data transfer would increase as more people join a topic. However the exponential propagation previously mentioned does not seem to be working - its only on nodebb that this thread is expanding now?

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                                        julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #58

                                        @eeeee Mastodon doesn't notify you unless you are explicitly mentioned.

                                        In NodeBB when you reply, you subscribe to the topic (unless you opt out or "unwatch" it), but that doesn't happen in Mastodon.

                                        NodeBB could propagate additional replies to Mastodon and other softwares, it doesn't right now.

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                                          #59

                                          Edits arent reflected still. In theory can AcitivtyPub repost an updated post easily, or does it have no ability to retract a post to resend a corrected one?

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