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Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.

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  • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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    omega@community.nodebb.org
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    #49

    @eeeee Ha ha maybe you answered my last post as I was writing it!

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      #50

      One thing that hasnt really been tested yet, is volumes, and the data that needs to be shared if say contribitors are on different networks.
      On your physics theme then the data share is potentially exponential as more people join the conversation.
      A thread with 100 different origin posts and the updates required to keep everyone in sync

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      • omega@community.nodebb.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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        #51

        @eeeee When you wrote Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:

        a thread with 100 different origin

        Do you mean each post originating post actin was on a different platform but the entire thread of 100 post is potentially equally visible on each of those different platforms?

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          #52

          @omega yes, so post 101 could need to go to the previous (up to) 100 servers so those threads are in sync

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            #53

            @eeeee In the context of this topic how man quantum instances might exist?

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              #54

              @omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:

              @eeeee In the context of this topic how many quantum instances might exist out in the fediverse?

              Two, they talk about up and down spin
              Analagous to up and down voting on Nodebb lol

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                #55

                Incidentally @omega, I direct messaged on you here a while ago, did you see it?
                It appears our federated convo working better tgan local one 🙂

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                • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @eeeee @omega if you are attempting to communicate to a remote account (outside of this NodeBB instance), it must be done publicly. Non-public messages received by NodeBB are rejected because NodeBB does not support the concept of limited post visibility at this time.

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                    #57

                    @julian as I contibuted to this thread also from my mastodon account, should that (in principle) be getting notified of additional comments on here.
                    Its currently not, which does negate the observation that data transfer would increase as more people join a topic. However the exponential propagation previously mentioned does not seem to be working - its only on nodebb that this thread is expanding now?

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                    • julian@community.nodebb.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #58

                      @eeeee Mastodon doesn't notify you unless you are explicitly mentioned.

                      In NodeBB when you reply, you subscribe to the topic (unless you opt out or "unwatch" it), but that doesn't happen in Mastodon.

                      NodeBB could propagate additional replies to Mastodon and other softwares, it doesn't right now.

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                        #59

                        Edits arent reflected still. In theory can AcitivtyPub repost an updated post easily, or does it have no ability to retract a post to resend a corrected one?

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                          #60

                          NodeBB sends the update. Mastodon doesn't accept it for some reason, it's something I've yet to figure out.

                          Does the update propagate to Discourse?

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                            #61

                            Yes the Discorse thread version doesnt accept updates either.
                            I think if the bar is set so that different nodebb sites can fully connect then thats enough, as nobody can controll what 3rd parties do

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                              #62

                              Test1, mentioning a user at a different nodebb server @mrcs@isurg.org

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                                @eeeee user slugs are always lower case. @mrcs@isurg.org didn't get the notification? That's odd.

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                                      @omega @Kichae @baris @julian

                                      I think the only problem here is you assume people should be able to "grok" it.
                                      I don't think that's a problem. I think people should be able to understand that the Internet is a communications platform. Growing up on IRC isn't a requirement to intuiting this; the point there was that I people understood it there and then.

                                      People should be able to understand it here and now, too. They've just been trained otherwise.

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                                        @omega @Kichae @baris @julian

                                        I think the only problem here is you assume people should be able to "grok" it.
                                        I don't think that's a problem. I think people should be able to understand that the Internet is a communications platform. Growing up on IRC isn't a requirement to intuiting this; the point there was that I people understood it there and then.

                                        People should be able to understand it here and now, too. They've just been trained otherwise.

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                                        #67

                                        This topic cracks me up. Maybe it's just me. 🙂

                                        @kichae@catodon.social said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
                                        > People should be able to understand it here and now, too. They've just been trained otherwise.

                                        I never understood the implication here as in the how they've been trained otherwise.

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                                          omega said in Explaining the fediverse is a hard problem.:
                                          > never understood the implication here as in the how they've been trained otherwise.

                                          What I was saying is that the internet has become incredibly centralized, and compartmentalized, to the point where people now think that the idea of a network seems foreign. People struggle with federated services because they see the website they're using as a dumb terminal to access "Mastodon" or "Lemmy" or whatever, viewing it as a centralized resource that exists in a singular, concrete place.

                                          That's how Facebook works. That's how Twitter works. Their phones and laptops are simple pass-throughs. It's all they know, and because of this, peoples imaginations have been limited.

                                          Sociologists call this habitus.

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