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  • D dan00@lemm.ee

    As usual i read too much into stupid shit. Yes, this is toxic masculinity just as much as punching someone in the face. But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good” (aka punching a nazi is good, even preferable). My granpa (a declared fash) would shield behind the “no violence” stand to support the most heinous shit and my point always has been that somebody need to shoot a nazi eventually. That guy would be “bad” for killing a person but we need those guys. At some point kindness doesn’t cut it anymore.

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    zloubida@sh.itjust.works
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    There's a whole theological reflection by the German pastor and theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who participated in a tentative to kill Hitler. In a nutshell, he said that killing was always bad, but in some fringe cases, someone has to get their hands dirty.

    He was killed by the Nazis after the failure of the killing attempt.

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    • 0 0ops@lemm.ee

      Mutual, I didn't think or mean to imply that you thought communism would solve penis disphoria, you could replace the word "communism" with any other system you like in that sentence, I was just trying to illustrate that the roots of being self-conscious of ones penis size likely have more primal causes than capitalism or any other economic system.

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      gsus4@mander.xyz
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      #89

      I just look at things like aesthetic plastic surgery and wonder if people used to feel inferior about themselves for things that they could not change (makeup was easy, so yeah, that has always existed...). Because today you need to keep improving yourself...because you can.

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      • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

        Sure, I would agree with that, but just because it's root cause is the patriarchy does not mean that something that hurts men is actually misogyny.

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        surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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        #90

        Yeah, I think misogyny was the wrong term. They're not the same.

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        • dasus@lemmy.worldD dasus@lemmy.world

          The ancient Romans thought a large penis was less desirable. You could mock someone for being big.

          Well yes but no. Aesthetically, it was considered vulgar. So was drinking wine "raw", but people still got plenty drunk all the time. And no matter the fashion of the statues of the time, sex still worked the same.

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          surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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          sex still worked the same.

          Exactly. The G spot is like 2" inside, and people still have fingers and tongues.

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          • gsus4@mander.xyzG gsus4@mander.xyz

            Locke "invented" liberalism, which Smith, as a moral philosopher, concretized in practice.

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            rowrowrowyourbot@sh.itjust.works
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            #92

            Yes but Loke solely focused on political rights whereas Adams was concerned with the economy. Locke wasn't involved in capitalism.

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            • L lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com

              Anytime someone says "can't use 👌🏼 anymore, white nationalists use it" instead of resisting that by reasserting the more common usage, they're letting a minority like white nationalists take over & decide the meaning of cultural signs for the majority: yes, that is holy cringe.

              Language & cultural conventions take cooperation: stop cooperating with & caving to white nationalists.

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              calipherjones@lemmy.world
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              I never said 👌🏼 can't be used for its original purpose. It all depends on context.

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              • T throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works

                Shaming people for "dick size" is support for the patriarchy and therefore supporting misogyny.

                Fuck this toxic masculinity. This is literally feeding into the alt-right pipeline.

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                entwine413@lemm.ee
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                #94

                It's shaming them for their toxic masculinity.

                It's also a comic, so maybe you could loosen up that stick.

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                • H hellsfire29@lemmy.world

                  Liberals must have huge elephant penises that nobody wants to fuck with.

                  Centrism is where it's at.

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                  entwine413@lemm.ee
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                  #95

                  Centerists are a large part of why we're in this mess.

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                  • C calipherjones@lemmy.world

                    I never said 👌🏼 can't be used for its original purpose. It all depends on context.

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                    lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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                    Fair enough.

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                    • A asteriskeverything@lemmy.world

                      Body shaming sucks no matter what.
                      And IMO making fun of penis size is toxic masculinity.
                      That said it is speaking in a language that they understand and use, we have to stoop to speak to their base. I hate all of it :')

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                      entwine413@lemm.ee
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                      This really isn't body shaming, though. It's making fun of the toxic masculinity that white nationalists subscribe to.

                      It's like Peter making a racist joke in Family Guy. The point isn't that the racist joke is funny, it's that being a racist should be ridiculed.

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                      • callyral@pawb.socialC callyral@pawb.social

                        Thanks for clarifying that

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                        entwine413@lemm.ee
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                        You're welcome. Glad I could help.

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                        • E entwine413@lemm.ee

                          It's shaming them for their toxic masculinity.

                          It's also a comic, so maybe you could loosen up that stick.

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                          ordinary_person@lemmy.ca
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                          #99

                          Apparently we aren't allowed to fight fire with fire. eyeroll

                          You know what? Fuck that. When I deal with meatheads at work (I'm in construction) I use their own language against them to shame them.
                          One example: If they say something is woke just because they don't like it, I'm calling them a r3tard. Not because I enjoy saying the word, but because I KNOW it's language that will actually get through to them. " Are you r3tarded?" Is A LOT more effective than "That's not nice" with people who are like that.

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                          • E entwine413@lemm.ee

                            Centerists are a large part of why we're in this mess.

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                            ordinary_person@lemmy.ca
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                            #100

                            Dangerous mindset. Too close to "You're either with us or you're against us" There is nothing wrong with being right down the middle and having some right wing ideologies and some left wing ideologies. Lots of people are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It's not their fault the political system and zealots who've politicized everything have drawn such a deep line in the sand.

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                            • S stebo02@sopuli.xyz

                              who's out there comparing their dicks to other dudes to know if they're below or above average

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                              explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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                              Back when the internet sucked, I was young and insecure. So I just asked the girls I slept with how I stacked up against the other guys.

                              It's amazing how being young and good looking can make up for being creepy and weird.

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                                b b but my truck is big

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                                • D dan00@lemm.ee

                                  As usual i read too much into stupid shit. Yes, this is toxic masculinity just as much as punching someone in the face. But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good” (aka punching a nazi is good, even preferable). My granpa (a declared fash) would shield behind the “no violence” stand to support the most heinous shit and my point always has been that somebody need to shoot a nazi eventually. That guy would be “bad” for killing a person but we need those guys. At some point kindness doesn’t cut it anymore.

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                                  nyamlae@lemmy.world
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                                  But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good”

                                  That's not what bodyshaming does, though.

                                  If you punch or kill a nazi, that harms the nazi.

                                  If you joke about nazis compensating for having a small dick, then you are reinforcing the idea that small dicks are bad and something that needs to be compensated for. This harms people with small penises.

                                  In addition, lots of nazis will have average or big dicks, and will find this kind of post laughable and irrelevant. It's not even harming them.

                                  So, this post mainly stigmatizes men with a certain body type, and not nazis. This is not good praxis.

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                                    methisguy@feddit.nl
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                                    maybe they were all growers

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                                      • seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        Idk how cyanide and happiness comics always manage to be bad

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                                        agrivar@lemmy.world
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                                        I'd wager it's from your missing or atrophied sense of humor.

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                                        • N nyamlae@lemmy.world

                                          But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good”

                                          That's not what bodyshaming does, though.

                                          If you punch or kill a nazi, that harms the nazi.

                                          If you joke about nazis compensating for having a small dick, then you are reinforcing the idea that small dicks are bad and something that needs to be compensated for. This harms people with small penises.

                                          In addition, lots of nazis will have average or big dicks, and will find this kind of post laughable and irrelevant. It's not even harming them.

                                          So, this post mainly stigmatizes men with a certain body type, and not nazis. This is not good praxis.

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                                          stratoscaster@lemmy.world
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                                          I think that's the reason why these kinds of derogatory statements are made. It's because masculinity is the sole identity of the fascist (aside from nationalism). Obviously, if you have masculinity be your main ideology, you are a problematic person.

                                          E.g. calling the proud boys "gravy seals" doesn't make me upset, because I don't care if I'm fat or not, and I don't really subscribe to machiavellianism. They, internally, do and being mocked is an affront to their ideology.

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