Yes, but you didnt have status anxiety (i.e. if you can become anything you want if you work hard enough, why aren't you ""alpha"" yet?) and the prosperity gospel: "you deserve to be poor because you don't hustle enough at the altar of crapitalism".

You absolutely have Calvinism before capitalism which is what the prosperoty gospel is rooted within

Those come after. Capitalism is a late 18th century CE creation

It's actually from earlier than that (Locke, Smith later, yes), but it only became unmanageable after we found cheap energy in the industrial revolution, which made the human element mostly trivial.

Smith wrote in the 18th century. Locke, as I recall, never did much with economics

Holy cringe

As usual i read too much into stupid shit. Yes, this is toxic masculinity just as much as punching someone in the face. But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good” (aka punching a nazi is good, even preferable). My granpa (a declared fash) would shield behind the “no violence” stand to support the most heinous shit and my point always has been that somebody need to shoot a nazi eventually. That guy would be “bad” for killing a person but we need those guys. At some point kindness doesn’t cut it anymore.

Communism failed horribly, don't put words in my mouth. Conspicuous consumption, planned obsolescence, manufactured demand, etc is taking longer, but it will fail too eventually.

As usual i read too much into stupid shit. Yes, this is toxic masculinity just as much as punching someone in the face. But, like everything, context matters and I believe directing harm towards “bad” people is “good” (aka punching a nazi is good, even preferable). My granpa (a declared fash) would shield behind the “no violence” stand to support the most heinous shit and my point always has been that somebody need to shoot a nazi eventually. That guy would be “bad” for killing a person but we need those guys. At some point kindness doesn’t cut it anymore.

Mutual, I didn't think or mean to imply that you thought communism would solve penis disphoria, you could replace the word "communism" with any other system you like in that sentence, I was just trying to illustrate that the roots of being self-conscious of ones penis size likely have more primal causes than capitalism or any other economic system.

Sure, I would agree with that, but just because it's root cause is the patriarchy does not mean that something that hurts men is actually misogyny.

The ancient Romans thought a large penis was less desirable. You could mock someone for being big.

Well yes but no. Aesthetically, it was considered vulgar. So was drinking wine "raw", but people still got plenty drunk all the time. And no matter the fashion of the statues of the time, sex still worked the same.

Locke "invented" liberalism, which Smith, as a moral philosopher, concretized in practice.

Anytime someone says "can't use anymore, white nationalists use it" instead of resisting that by reasserting the more common usage, they're letting a minority like white nationalists take over & decide the meaning of cultural signs for the majority: yes, that is holy cringe.

Language & cultural conventions take cooperation: stop cooperating with & caving to white nationalists.

Shaming people for "dick size" is support for the patriarchy and therefore supporting misogyny.

Fuck this toxic masculinity. This is literally feeding into the alt-right pipeline.

Liberals must have huge elephant penises that nobody wants to fuck with.

Centrism is where it's at.

I never said can't be used for its original purpose. It all depends on context.

Body shaming sucks no matter what.
And IMO making fun of penis size is toxic masculinity.
That said it is speaking in a language that they understand and use, we have to stoop to speak to their base. I hate all of it :')

Thanks for clarifying that