Brb reading Dubliners to elementary students and making fun of them when they don't have an opinion on the themes of Irish nationalism and its implications in an ever more interconnected world.

This obviously has nothing on the complex thought presented by UP, of course. My 500 page thesis on its handling of grief (tl;Dr talking dogs heal all wounds) will shortly follow.

No.
Their federation does differ from the fediverse's, essentially, people have PDSes (personal data servers) which are just dumb datastores. These store data like your posts, likes, follows and blocks publicly.

AppViews are the other part, these take the data from PDSes and index it, and sort out interactions/notifications.

AppViewLite, for example, can be self hosted on any computer, and can be set to only take posts from select users, and discard posts after a while.

Is this federation, though? I've always thought of federation as a technical description of a platform's network topology, that it is several nodes communicating with one another to provide an overall platform.

Like, an AppViewLite is basically analogous to a Nostr replay and no one describes Nostr as federated.

A more interesting conversation is whether grafting federation onto Bluesky is worth the effort. If indexing the network can be done for a reasonable price, which it seems to be, then I don't see why people would put in the effort. If an app view/relay goes bad then you can just switch and get mostly the same experience.

I still believe that the ActivityPub solution of the multi stakeholder platform is a better direction, but I don't think the Bluesky idea of super easy migration should be dismissed out of hand like it so often is on this side of the conversation.

They are absolutely equivalent and it’s ridiculous to argue otherwise.

Yeah, it's still federation. It's just pull-based rather than push based.
Bluesky was made to be a decentralised twitter from the beginning.

Meh, I still don't see it as federation, but that might just be me projecting my own definition. Like, if we accept that bsky is federated then that would mean Bing is federated, just for arbitrary HTML rather than predetermined JSON.

Brb reading Dubliners to elementary students and making fun of them when they don't have an opinion on the themes of Irish nationalism and its implications in an ever more interconnected world.

This obviously has nothing on the complex thought presented by UP, of course. My 500 page thesis on its handling of grief (tl;Dr talking dogs heal all wounds) will shortly follow.

It did make good on true federation.

If your books need real world themes and connections to be good, maybe you should try improving their writing instead.

Isn't their federation really fucking weird though? Like you can't run a federated server unless you're capable of handling 100% of all the posts on the entire platform? That's a pretty huge barrier, and one could argue it's less "federation" and more "mirroring".

It didn’t, bluesy made it able to selfhost your posts to keep their hosting costs down

All the pros of federation and being able to self host an instance don’t exist on Bluesy so why would you?

Personally, its as simple as the ATProtocol is hard connected to Bluesky full stop. If Bluesky goes under, then AT will definitely suffer or fail.

The fediverse (AKA ActivityPub) is not reliant on just one entity, its many many entities implementing the same protocol. So its MUCH more resilient than AT.

But the good news is that we don't need to choose, as long as AP and AT both exist and keep going its going to be fine. The only issue becomes if services start only using AT over AP. Then we get a Microsoft situation where embrace extend extinguish occurs and we all become reliant on one not so benevolent corporation.

Im still going to root for the more open source protocol for the above reasons.

I have read the entire Harry Potter series (before she outed herself as being scum). And calling her writing bad is disingenuous. She isn't a bad writer, or more accurately she wasn't. (It's notable that her writing started to degrade very sharply not long after she outed herself as a TERF).

She is a fucking horrid human being as are Orson Scott Card and Scott Adams along with a few others who's true colors shined through due to the pervasive nature of social media. But to blandly call their works "shitty" just as a lazy dig at them degrades you, not them. It makes your opinion worthless.

J.K. Rowling is an absolute dipshit asswipe who should be tarred, feathered, and run out on a rail anywhere she goes. And more people should say so as loudly as possible. But the Harry Potter books were beloved by millions for a reason. If only she had gone blind, deaf, and dumb after she finished writing them.

Both protocols are open source.
At can exist without bluesky, but most people are on it. I wouldn't say it's "hard connected" to it.
Also: there are various implementations of Atproto.

Lets agree to disagree.

Ive seen many times where the company behind a tech goes under and the tech suffers because of it. And AT seems to be hard connected to Bluesky given the wikipedia article and the codebase that I have seen. But having competing services is not necessarily a bad thing. It can mean they can both learn from one another (like yarn and npm did a long time ago) and we get a better service. I dont necessarily want AT to fail, but I do want them to become MUCH more distant to Bluesky.

And they have the most risk to become Enshittied given the crypto/investors/millionaires involved with BlueSky.

Ill still be supporting AP with my development time since its easier for me to stand up and work with.

Um what? The hate for JKR is quite active on bsky. OP smoking crack; we hate that bitch.

If mastodon disappeared tomorrow it would be chaos. Loads of servers would shut down, and the rest would switch to a fork.
It would do irreapable damage to the fediverse, since mastodon basically controls the spec (the w3 thing is more of a collection of suggestions).

AT is infinietly easier to work with as well.

Again as a Dev, I have to disagree.

How can mastodon disappear? By definition, its on open platforms and self hosted solutions. It cant. And we are using the spec to talk right now.

And as a Dev AT really isn't easier to work with. I've tried hooking it up multiple times and while I can do it, its such a pain. And debug is pretty terrible experience. But its a an opinion on both sides.

You seem very invested in the protocol. Why if I may ask?

Have you built anything on AP? It's a pain. A poorly documented headache inducing pain.

I didn't say mastodon would disappear, I said it would cause irreparable damage to the network. Bluesky/atproto won't disappear without Bluesky PBC, but it would cause irreparable damage to the network.

Obviously mastodon is in a better position for this to happen.

I'm not really invested in the protocol, I prefer AP honestly, but everyone here is annoyingly elitest about the fediverse.

Yep! Your using it now at least a very little bit if your URL is correct.