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The Instances That Prefer XMPP Over Matrix For Decentralized Private Chatting

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  • F fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net

    XMPP not being E2EE exclusive because of it's age is not the greatest but I'm assuming that modern extensions have fixed that.

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    Most apps enable it by default and display a warning when it is disabled, which is by far preferrable over enforcing it.

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    • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

      I suppose they have arguments about the protocol being more energy efficient. They will need to convince the dev of Fluffy Chat to port the protocol for me to switch over.

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      turret3857@infosec.pub
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      My main issue with XMPP at this time is there isn't a client I like. The one I see most recommended is one that looks almost exactly like element IMO. I would want something that looks similar to Mattermost/Cinny/Slack, but as far as I can tell it does not exist. I'd love to use XMPP, but the projects I follow are mostly on Matrix (and discord :/) and there isn't an appealing client for me, so I really can't justify using it.

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      • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

        Do admins of XMPP rooms have to update their groups separately from the homeserver?

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        #7

        Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you are referring to Matrix like room versions then that entire concept doesn't exist in XMPP (which prevents a lot of problems).

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        • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

          Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you are referring to Matrix like room versions then that entire concept doesn't exist in XMPP (which prevents a lot of problems).

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          #8

          That sounds nice, so do all the rooms get updated alongside the homeserver?

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          • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca

            That sounds nice, so do all the rooms get updated alongside the homeserver?

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            #9

            Well, "yes". But there isn't really such a thing as updating a room. In xmpp, rooms follow a standard and communicate additional optional capabilities to clients.

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            • T turret3857@infosec.pub

              My main issue with XMPP at this time is there isn't a client I like. The one I see most recommended is one that looks almost exactly like element IMO. I would want something that looks similar to Mattermost/Cinny/Slack, but as far as I can tell it does not exist. I'd love to use XMPP, but the projects I follow are mostly on Matrix (and discord :/) and there isn't an appealing client for me, so I really can't justify using it.

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              #10

              Which XMPP client looks like Element?

              I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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              • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                Which XMPP client looks like Element?

                I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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                turret3857@infosec.pub
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                #11

                Gajim

                Prose looks really cool, I'm going to have to try it out. It never came up when I was looking a few weeks back 😛

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                • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                  Gajim

                  Prose looks really cool, I'm going to have to try it out. It never came up when I was looking a few weeks back 😛

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                  #12

                  I find that it looks more like Discord, but sure, Element also copied a lot of stuff from Discord.

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                  • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                    I find that it looks more like Discord, but sure, Element also copied a lot of stuff from Discord.

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                    turret3857@infosec.pub
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                    #13

                    Gajim
                    Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                    Element
                    Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                    Discord
                    Screenshot of Discord

                    I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                    • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                      Gajim
                      Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                      Element
                      Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                      Discord
                      Screenshot of Discord

                      I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                      #14

                      Switch Gajim to dark mode and close that thread view in Discord and it looks almost the same.

                      But yes there is a lot of UI copying, but Discord is clearly the main inspiration for both.

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                      • T turret3857@infosec.pub

                        Gajim
                        Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

                        Element
                        Screenshot of Element for Matrix

                        Discord
                        Screenshot of Discord

                        I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

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                        Thanks for the screenshots!

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                        • povoq@slrpnk.netP povoq@slrpnk.net

                          Which XMPP client looks like Element?

                          I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

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                          I tried adding an avatar using Monal but it didn’t work 😭

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