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  • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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    Bluesky speedrunning enshittification.

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      Your meme templates get more exotic as time goes on.

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      • sexy_peach@feddit.orgS sexy_peach@feddit.org

        Now apparently that final hurdle has been resolved.

        He says so in this article, but afaik you won't get a full bluesky node, just parts of it. So it's not fully decentralized. But you're not under their TOS apparently.

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        Actually, you can host a full-network relay for $34 a month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3kwzl7tye6u2y (article by a bluesky engineer).

        All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.

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        • lvxferre@mander.xyzL lvxferre@mander.xyz

          Bluesky speedrunning enshittification.

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          It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.

          If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.

          Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.

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          • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            Actually, you can host a full-network relay for $34 a month: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3kwzl7tye6u2y (article by a bluesky engineer).

            All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.

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            #15

            All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.

            No I think they still have control over the decentralized identifiers, ironically

            Link Preview Image
            How decentralized is Bluesky really? -- Dustycloud Brainstorms

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            • sexy_peach@feddit.orgS sexy_peach@feddit.org

              All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.

              No I think they still have control over the decentralized identifiers, ironically

              Link Preview Image
              How decentralized is Bluesky really? -- Dustycloud Brainstorms

              favicon

              (dustycloud.org)

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              You can use a web did.

              But yeah, did:plc is a joke.

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              • sexy_peach@feddit.orgS sexy_peach@feddit.org

                All the other pieces are self hostable, PDSes are trival to host, and would cost less than $5 a month.

                No I think they still have control over the decentralized identifiers, ironically

                Link Preview Image
                How decentralized is Bluesky really? -- Dustycloud Brainstorms

                favicon

                (dustycloud.org)

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                Also: a lot of stuff from that article isn't really accurate anymore.

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                • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Also: a lot of stuff from that article isn't really accurate anymore.

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                  sexy_peach@feddit.org
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                  #18

                  yeah, honestly I wish them luck

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                  • lvxferre@mander.xyzL lvxferre@mander.xyz

                    Bluesky speedrunning enshittification.

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                    redpandaraider@feddit.org
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                    I mean the name alone was a nail in the coffin. Bluesky for blue MAGA.

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                    • L lodemike@lemmy.today

                      Bluesky? More like Blu Spy

                      *laugh track*

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                      thesohoriots@lemmy.world
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                      funky slap bass

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                      • sunshine@piefed.caS sunshine@piefed.ca
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                        What happened this time?

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                        • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.

                          If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.

                          Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.

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                          notsteve_@piefed.ca
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                          Are there any other instances of BS though? My understanding was that it's too costly to host so there's only the official one

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                          • N notsteve_@piefed.ca

                            Are there any other instances of BS though? My understanding was that it's too costly to host so there's only the official one

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                            It's gotten cheaper.

                            deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.

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                            • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                              It's gotten cheaper.

                              deer.social is an alt-client. app.wafrn.net is an alt-pds and appview.

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                              notsteve_@piefed.ca
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                              Oh sweet that's great to hear!

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                              • mintiefresh@piefed.caM mintiefresh@piefed.ca

                                What happened this time?

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                                maam@feddit.uk
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                                Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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                                • M maam@feddit.uk

                                  Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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                                  scmstr@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                  That bitch has a rotten fish turd for a heart.

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                                  • M maam@feddit.uk

                                    Someone got banned for saying rude things towards JKR.

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                                    Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.

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                                    • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                      It's actually easy to dodge their enshittification with atproto.

                                      If you get banned on mastodon, you can't move your followers to another server, but on bluesky you can get your rotation key and move them permissionlessly.

                                      Alternate appviews can dodge shit decisions (like the OSA id thing), without you needing to make a new account or move servers.

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                                      If you get banned on mastodon, you can’t move your followers to another server

                                      This actually depends. Mastodon has several ways of 'banning' a users, and apparently 'frozen' users can migrate their followers.

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                                      • klu9@piefed.socialK klu9@piefed.social

                                        Cory Doctorow on new Bluesky TOS

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                                        threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
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                                        The good news here is that Bluesky has made enormous progress in true federation. The cost of operating a full Bluesky stack has fallen from tens of millions of dollars per year to tens of dollars per month

                                        Great!

                                        But Bluesky, the company, still needs serious work.

                                        As things stand, Bluesky has very bad terms of service that every user who creates an account has to subject themselves to. In particular, Bluesky's ToS contain a "binding arbitration" waiver that forces users to surrender the right to sue Bluesky no matter how the company harms them. This is so pro-enshittificatory, it's like a landing strip for the sole use of Enshittification Airlines, which can land a 747 full of enshittfying nonsense on Bluesky's users every 10 minutes, around the clock, without worrying about any legal repercussions.

                                        This is less great.

                                        Edit: Wait, what?

                                        The new waiver says that you don't have to arbitrate for "claims that fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence by Bluesky caused death or personal injury." That sounds good! It also sounds like everything that someone might sue Bluesky for, leaving me to wonder what Bluesky will make you arbitrate for.

                                        What's more, if the point of a binding arbitration waiver is to reduce nuisance suits and threats, this completely nullifies that tactic, because all a nuisance litigant has to do is claim that they are suing because of "fraud, criminal misconduct, or gross negligence," and Bluesky is back in court.

                                        I'm more confused now.

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                                        • ook@discuss.tchncs.deO ook@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          Seriously, you Americans and your countless frigging 3 letter abbreviations for more or less significant people. JKR, AOC, MTG, WTF! Just write those names, you'll soon run out of acronymns.

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                                          moakley@lemmy.world
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                                          JKR isn't American.

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